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Will you be able to get a COVID vaccine?

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    On a related note....

    US health secretary and vaccine sceptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr has called for the retraction of a Danish study that found no link between aluminium in vaccines and chronic diseases in children — a rare move for a US public official. Aluminium has been used for almost a century to enhance the immune system’s response to some vaccines. But some people claim the ingredient is linked to rising rates of childhood disorders such as autism.

    Public-health officials in Kennedy’s position rarely request that studies be retracted, says Ivan Oransky, a specialist in academic publishing and co-founder of the media organization Retraction Watch. Through this request, “Secretary Kennedy has demonstrated that he wants the scientific literature to bend to his will”, says Oransky.

    The study1 in question, published in Annals of Internal Medicine in July, is one of the largest of its kind, looking at 1.2 million children born over more than two decades in Denmark. The authors reported that no significant risk of developing autoimmune, allergic or neurodevelopmental disorders was associated with exposure to aluminium compounds in vaccines.

    In an opinion piece published on TrialSite News on 1 August, Kennedy called into question the study’s methodology, analysis and results. Since his appointment as head of the US Department of Health and Human Services, Kennedy has bypassed normal scientific review processes to change vaccine recommendations and terminated grants for projects on mRNA vaccines.

    Annals of Internal Medicine says it stands by the study and has no plans to retract it. Christine Laine, editor in chief for the journal, wrote in a comment on the study’s web page on 11 August that “retraction is warranted only when serious errors invalidate findings or there is documented scientific misconduct, neither of which occurred here”.

    From Nature:

    https://archive.is/jXF5E

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      @Daniel. said in Will you be able to get a COVID vaccine?:

      Will I be able to and would I are two different questions.

      Do you have an answer for either?

      Sometime in the next week or three, I plan to stop by a local pharmacy to find out what I may be eligible for.

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      @Axtremus said in Will you be able to get a COVID vaccine?:

      @Daniel. said in Will you be able to get a COVID vaccine?:

      Will I be able to and would I are two different questions.

      Do you have an answer for either?

      Sometime in the next week or three, I plan to stop by a local pharmacy to find out what I may be eligible for.

      I have an answer for one. I no longer take mRNA vaccines.

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        @wtg and @Rontuner hmmm, this make sense. OTOH, since I am surrounded by people due to work, I wonder… I think I need to have a discussion with a provider, but my next visit isn’t until Nov. (not counting my ortho.)

        This is why the current situation is so frustrating. I would like to be able to get vaccine advice without politics getting in the way. 😠

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          I didn’t take one last year because I got Covid again in September so I skipped it when they came out. My intention was to get it a few months later but I forgot. This year I’ll be sure to get one if only as a FU to Kennedy. My immunosupressed status will get me on the list.

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          • NinaN Nina

            I can get it under the geezer exception. But the idea that some worm -eaten science denier is making these decisions makes me want to scream.

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            @Nina said in Will you be able to get a COVID vaccine?:

            But the idea that some worm -eaten science denier is making these decisions makes me want to scream.

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            • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

              @wtg and @Rontuner hmmm, this make sense. OTOH, since I am surrounded by people due to work, I wonder… I think I need to have a discussion with a provider, but my next visit isn’t until Nov. (not counting my ortho.)

              This is why the current situation is so frustrating. I would like to be able to get vaccine advice without politics getting in the way. 😠

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              @ShiroKuro said in Will you be able to get a COVID vaccine?:

              @wtg and @Rontuner hmmm, this make sense. OTOH, since I am surrounded by people due to work, I wonder… I think I need to have a discussion with a provider, but my next visit isn’t until Nov. (not counting my ortho.)

              This is why the current situation is so frustrating. I would like to be able to get vaccine advice without politics getting in the way. 😠

              Do you have an online connection to your provider? I've found that messaging mine usually gets a pretty quick response (through MyChart)

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              • RontunerR Rontuner

                @ShiroKuro said in Will you be able to get a COVID vaccine?:

                @wtg and @Rontuner hmmm, this make sense. OTOH, since I am surrounded by people due to work, I wonder… I think I need to have a discussion with a provider, but my next visit isn’t until Nov. (not counting my ortho.)

                This is why the current situation is so frustrating. I would like to be able to get vaccine advice without politics getting in the way. 😠

                Do you have an online connection to your provider? I've found that messaging mine usually gets a pretty quick response (through MyChart)

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                @Rontuner said in Will you be able to get a COVID vaccine?:

                Do you have an online connection to your provider?

                Unfortunately not right now, because I'm in the process of changing providers... against my will, I should add, my main provider left the practice, and because of the shitty health care system the way their clinic works, I had to "reestablish" care just like any new patient. So my first appointment with the person isn't until Nov. And since I don't have a relationship with a provider there, I can't do that kind of online messaging. I might see if I can make a bridge appointment. I'm currently going to PT and have all these regular visits with an ortho for my foot problems, so I'm kind of not very enthusiastic about making an additional appointment. But it's probably worth it. 😕

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                • RontunerR Rontuner

                  I've had a number of boosters and last Dr. visits for myself and MrsTuner, neither doc recommended getting any more at this point until possibly combined with a flu shot.

                  Reason? They just aren't seeing data that suggests that outcomes are different with getting boosters or not. With and without boosters people get infected and stay out of the hospital. Just two opinions in an urban setting...

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                  Steve Miller
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                  @Rontuner

                  But what is the harm in getting one anyway?

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                    I don't know that there's any harm - except the lingering perception among some of the population (without actual evidence) that too many vaccines are somehow problematic.

                    I believe for the docs, it probably goes something like "if there isn't a clear benefit, why recommend?" There is always risks involved with any medical intervention - pages of fine print confirm that for most drugs we take!

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                      I’m old enough to qualify and I’ll get one. The probability of it being good far outweighs the probability of being bad.

                      Flu shot too, and any other vax they have available.

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