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    Great!
  • Switzerland

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    If you notice women in fishnet stockings in the doorways you are in the redlight district. That was when we realized our hotel was in that district in Geneva.
  • Word association thread

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  • Roman road builders

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    I thought they were close to the same age! Is Boy-nyc a senior? Do you know what he'll be doing next year?
  • Piano buzz

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    That looks great! @AndyD said: Dates from 1860-70 Wow!
  • Here kitty, kitty

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    Tangent. This reminds me of Queen Victoria. History records the relationship Queen Victoria had with John Brown as consisting of everything involved in a marriage except any formal wedding. She wrote it down in a letter to an aristocrat after John Brown passed. She lamented the fact that she had two experience grief a second time. This letter was discovered in thr family's library by random chance, many years after she was was interred with Albert at Frogmore, famously with mementos of her relationships with both men. Also, I'm reminded of the only historical record of the assassination of Ludwig II. An artist somehow found his body soon after the fact. His drawing gave history a forensic analysis of the crime. Source: Daniel. Excuse me for interrupting.
  • Dedicated to the Forum

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    To each his own.
  • Solving the food waste problem

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    We have yard debris/food waste collection weekly here in Portland (Oregon). Also paper and cardboard recycling. And glass jars and bottles. Garbage collection is every other week, and you pay based on the size of your bin, so it’s in your best interest to recycle as much as you can.
  • Very old fish

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    Do the grandchildren visit?
  • Narcissus

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    @jon-nyc said: I’ve not studied it. This is the kind of thing AI is great at. Here’s Claude’s take: Great questions — Echo is actually the emotional key to the whole myth, and it makes way more sense once you see how her story and Narcissus's mirror each other. Who was Echo, and what happened to her before Narcissus? Echo was a mountain nymph. In Ovid's version, she had a habit of talking constantly — and she used it to help Zeus (Jupiter). Whenever Hera (Juno) went looking for Zeus mid-affair with one of the other nymphs, Echo would distract Hera with long chattering stories, giving Zeus time to get away. When Hera figured out the trick, she punished Echo with a curse: Echo could no longer speak her own words first. She could only repeat the last words someone else said to her. So what was Echo doing in the Narcissus story? After the curse, Echo sees Narcissus wandering in the woods, falls in love with him, and follows him — but she can't call out to him or start a conversation. She can only wait for him to speak, then repeat his words back. There's a famous moment where he calls out "Who's here?" and she can only answer "...here." Eventually he rejects her cruelly (he'd rather die than let her touch him), and devastated and ashamed, she withdraws into isolation. Did Echo die? Yes — sort of. She wastes away from grief and rejection, her body fading until literally nothing is left but her voice. She becomes what we now call an "echo": the acoustic phenomenon of a voice bouncing back without a body behind it. So she wasn't an echo of something at the start — she became the phenomenon we call an echo, as a consequence of the curse plus her heartbreak. That's why it feels sad rather than just a device: it's a literal transformation, a person reduced to only being able to reflect back what others say. Why does she matter to Narcissus's story? Because she's not a warning exactly — she's a parallel. Narcissus rejected Echo (and others) cruelly, and Nemesis (goddess of retribution) curses him in return: he falls in love with his own reflection, something he can never have or touch, just as Echo could never fully speak or be heard as herself. Both of them waste away pining after something unreachable — she for a person who won't turn toward her, he for an image that isn't even a person. Structurally, they're doubles: Echo can't speak first; Narcissus can't recognize what he's seeing isn't someone else. Communication fails both of them, in mirrored ways. That's likely part of why it felt disorienting — Echo isn't background scenery, she's doing real narrative work, and leaving her out (as your friend seems to have done) makes the story lose its shape. The myth is really about two kinds of unreciprocated love collapsing into each other. @jon-nyc That was great! Thanks and warm regards.
  • Meta-thread: Word association thread

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    I haven’t met him but I’m sure we know some of the same people. I’ve recently gotten to know the chief of medicine at his institution since she’s the current head of the American Thoracic Society and I’m on their finance committee.
  • How to Prove that a Photograph is Real - Apple Inc.'s Answer

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    Looks useful for some applications.
  • The bride's parents didn't fund this wedding

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  • Whether where you are

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    We’ve had some good weather here too. Today’s high is 83.
  • A new doomsday approaches

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    Saw this ad from Meta for the first time this morning on TV. It's been out for a while, was posted on Faceypage by Zuck a few months ago. https://www.facebook.com/zuck/videos/1344461651205053/ TechCrunch had a story about this ad and some others. https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/23/meta-launched-a-new-ai-optimism-ad-set-to-a-song-about-human-extinction/
  • Bloomscrolling--what's in bloom where you are?

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    The first Morning Glory of the year. I consider this an official proclamation that fall is here. [image: 9171.JPG] A bit of autumn color on one of the Sedums. [image: 9172.JPG] I have really enjoyed these magenta Cleome. I may try to save their seeds. [image: 9171.JPG] The native Lobelia is going strong. [image: 9173.JPG]
  • Micellar Water - let's talk skin care

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    MrsTuner has been using it for a number of years since she has sensitive skin that gets dried out by anything harsh.. No long-term negatives to report.
  • Japanese centenarians

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    Wow. That's an impressive figure. I met old Japanese people in Hawaii occasionally including women, men, and couples. They were fascinating. The were so gentle.
  • Impeach Hegseth

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    Saw a picture of the real Pete this morning. He is wearing a red majorette-like uniform with knee high white boots. Of course I can not find that now.
  • Laughter is the best medicine

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    https://m. Link to video