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    Daniel
    wrote on last edited by Daniel
    #45

    Yeah, have to agree with jon and others. ICE agents in these incidents are notorious for giving conflicting orders. The agent wasn't in any danger of being run over. So he has no excuse.

    'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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      Bernard
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      Jasmine Crockett

      Link to video

      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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        Jared Moskowitz

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        The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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          AdagioM
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          CBP shot and wounded two people in Portland, OR today, in a medical clinic parking lot. Developing story here.

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            Rontuner
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            Videos also show Renee Good waving ICE vehicles around her car - so not trying to block them at all. Another lie by ICE and the (Republican) government.

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              Piano*Dad
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              #50

              The feds are preventing MN from investigating. The state must take over anyway, do the best it can, and bring the issue to a grand jury.

              Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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              • Piano*DadP Piano*Dad

                The feds are preventing MN from investigating. The state must take over anyway, do the best it can, and bring the issue to a grand jury.

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                ShiroKuro
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                #51

                @Piano-Dad said in In Minneapolis:

                The feds are preventing MN from investigating. The state must take over anyway, do the best it can, and bring the issue to a grand jury.

                Agreed.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  #52

                  Kevin Williams made a good point. This wasn’t a law enforcement action it was a road rage incident. ICE isn’t empowered to enforce traffic laws, they’re empowered to detain people on reasonable suspicion of immigration violation.

                  Also one goon was yelling at her to clear the path the other goon yelling at her to get out of the car. One wonders if she had gotten out of the car if she simply would have been shot by the other goon instead.

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                  • J jon-nyc

                    Kevin Williams made a good point. This wasn’t a law enforcement action it was a road rage incident. ICE isn’t empowered to enforce traffic laws, they’re empowered to detain people on reasonable suspicion of immigration violation.

                    Also one goon was yelling at her to clear the path the other goon yelling at her to get out of the car. One wonders if she had gotten out of the car if she simply would have been shot by the other goon instead.

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                    wtg
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                    @jon-nyc said in In Minneapolis:

                    This wasn’t a law enforcement action it was a road rage incident.

                    That's what I was seeing in those videos. They were plain pissed off and their emotions took off on them.

                    Like I said, ten seconds from face-to-face confrontation to dead is crazy.

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                      Piano*Dad
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                      When your emotions take off and you kill someone, you need to spend many years behind bars ...

                      Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                        Piano*Dad
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                        If you want your blood boiling some more, the shooter apparently released video to exculpate himself, which does the exact opposite. And DHS has all of this information and still gaslights us.

                        Many people in government need to be arrested and tried, even if it's four years from now. No "forgive and forget."

                        https://bsky.app/profile/pbump.com/post/3mbz5s5eupk2h

                        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                          wtg
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                          Dear god.

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                          • Piano*DadP Piano*Dad

                            If you want your blood boiling some more, the shooter apparently released video to exculpate himself, which does the exact opposite. And DHS has all of this information and still gaslights us.

                            Many people in government need to be arrested and tried, even if it's four years from now. No "forgive and forget."

                            https://bsky.app/profile/pbump.com/post/3mbz5s5eupk2h

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                            ShiroKuro
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                            @Piano-Dad said in In Minneapolis:

                            the shooter apparently released video to exculpate himself, which does the exact opposite.

                            It certainly does.

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                            • Piano*DadP Piano*Dad

                              If you want your blood boiling some more, the shooter apparently released video to exculpate himself, which does the exact opposite. And DHS has all of this information and still gaslights us.

                              Many people in government need to be arrested and tried, even if it's four years from now. No "forgive and forget."

                              https://bsky.app/profile/pbump.com/post/3mbz5s5eupk2h

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                              wtg
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #58

                              Fox News coverage. It was definitely road rage.

                              https://www.foxnews.com/us/surveillance-footage-shows-immigration-activist-blocking-road-before-fatal-ice-shooting

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                                Piano*Dad
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                                Fox and journalism should never be uttered in the same sentence ....

                                Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                  wtg
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                                  #60

                                  More analysis of the agent’s cell phone video. Remarkable that he managed to take a video, draw his weapon and fire it multiple times, successfully hit his target, called her a f**king bitch, all without dropping his phone.

                                  https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/09/us/ice-shooting-minneapolis-renee-good-cell-phone-invs

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                                    More analysis of the agent’s cell phone video. Remarkable that he managed to take a video, draw his weapon and fire it multiple times, successfully hit his target, called her a f**king bitch, all without dropping his phone.

                                    https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/09/us/ice-shooting-minneapolis-renee-good-cell-phone-invs

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                                    ShiroKuro
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                                    @wtg said in In Minneapolis:

                                    Remarkable that he managed to take a video, draw his weapon and fire it multiple times, successfully hit his target, called her a f**king bitch, all without dropping his phone.

                                    While also being scared for his life, apparently.

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                                      Rontuner
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                                      It seems pretty obvious to me who the domestic terrorists are - both in Washington and out in the field...

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                                        wtg
                                        wrote on last edited by wtg
                                        #63

                                        The first part of Smerconish's show this morning was about the Minnesota shooting. He looked at it from the position of what the use-of-force guidelines are for the ICE agent. That is the standard against which the incident needs to be evaluated. He talked a bit about CBP and ICE guidelines and also those of various local (non-federal) police departments. Sort of "generally accepted practices".

                                        Here are a couple of documents on use of force. One is for ICE, the other for CBP.

                                        ICE (see policy statement on page 62): https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment 21 - ICE Firearms and Use of Force Directive and Handbook.pdf

                                        CBP: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

                                        It will be interesting to see if these suddenly get updated. I've downloaded both; I'm sure lots of other people have, too.

                                        I'll post a link to the show later if it shows up online. He also interviewed someone who is an expert witness in cases like these.

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                                          wtg
                                          wrote on last edited by wtg
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                                          Here's the segment on Smerconish.

                                          https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/10/us/video/what-reasonable-force-actually-means

                                          I was surprised that he thinks a conviction is unlikely, especially after I read the use of force guidelines that he presented. Seems to me that the ICE agent broke a lot of rules.

                                          I hope that Minnesota does its own investigation, as I don't trust the FBI, ICE, and the DOJ to be unbiased. Their track record on other cases (like the ones in Chicago) is not good.

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