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  • RontunerR Offline
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    Rontuner
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    #62

    It seems pretty obvious to me who the domestic terrorists are - both in Washington and out in the field...

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    • wtgW Offline
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      wtg
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      #63

      The first part of Smerconish's show this morning was about the Minnesota shooting. He looked at it from the position of what the use-of-force guidelines are for the ICE agent. That is the standard against which the incident needs to be evaluated. He talked a bit about CBP and ICE guidelines and also those of various local (non-federal) police departments. Sort of "generally accepted practices".

      Here are a couple of documents on use of force. One is for ICE, the other for CBP.

      ICE (see policy statement on page 62): https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment 21 - ICE Firearms and Use of Force Directive and Handbook.pdf

      CBP: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

      It will be interesting to see if these suddenly get updated. I've downloaded both; I'm sure lots of other people have, too.

      I'll post a link to the show later if it shows up online. He also interviewed someone who is an expert witness in cases like these.

      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie AumĂ´nier

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        #64

        Here's the segment on Smerconish.

        https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/10/us/video/what-reasonable-force-actually-means

        I was surprised that he thinks a conviction is unlikely, especially after I read the use of force guidelines that he presented. Seems to me that the ICE agent broke a lot of rules.

        I hope that Minnesota does its own investigation, as I don't trust the FBI, ICE, and the DOJ to be unbiased. Their track record on other cases (like the ones in Chicago) is not good.

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie AumĂ´nier

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          Daniel
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          It was frightening to see it the video. That woman didn't seem to be scared and likely didn't have any idea what was about to happen to her.

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          • wtgW Offline
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            wtg
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            #66

            When narrative outpaces evidence.

            https://quillette.com/2026/01/10/when-narrative-outpaces-evidence-the-minnesota-ice-shooting/

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie AumĂ´nier

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              Daniel
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              #67

              In Philadelphia--

              Link to video

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              • wtgW Offline
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                wtg
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                #68

                This is not good.

                https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/immigration-agents-deploy-tear-gas-pepper-spray-minneapolis-confrontat-rcna253782

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie AumĂ´nier

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                • wtgW wtg

                  This is not good.

                  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/immigration-agents-deploy-tear-gas-pepper-spray-minneapolis-confrontat-rcna253782

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                  @wtg said in In Minneapolis:

                  This is not good.

                  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/immigration-agents-deploy-tear-gas-pepper-spray-minneapolis-confrontat-rcna253782

                  Infuriating. And terrifying.

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                  • RontunerR Offline
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                    From Instagram - not sure if you can see the video. Thoughtful.

                    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTb2VBJkUim/?igsh=MTRsaGw1NmwzdHE2dg%3D%3D&fbclid=IwY2xjawPUh_FleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFoZTc2Wnl1UjZtNmNnMUlPc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHuzmcr-c1XSioLFSyGqkBvc1I2HWu1AGJqnKkw8KdPjOSVSpMrE4z2NPnAOT_aem_bNewS2ck6IVnBkdZhRldkQ

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                      Bernard
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                      #71

                      ICE is just part of Trump and the GOP's campaign to make America a totalitarian state. Immigration is just one cover for carrying out that goal. Under the false guise of rounding up criminal, illegal immigrants ICE is murdering American citizens of all colors. That orange SOB wants complete control--and the republicans are willing to give it to him--over the economy (the outrageous Powell episode unfolding right now), the states via intimidation and fear (ICE). We are heading down the path of totalitarianism faster than you say the word. ICE is our Gestapo, the force that ensures intimidation of all. The Democrats in power better have their eyes wide open.

                      I'm glad to see impeachment proceedings against Noem under way. And, the Democrats had better be ready, willing, and able to stall a new funding bill unless it contains severe limitations (if not the abolishment) of ICE. Cause otherwise, it's not going to be safe anywhere, no matter where you were born or what color your skin is.

                      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                      • J jon-nyc

                        At least two of his shots were after the bumper had moved beyond him Andy.

                        True she was on the wrong trying to leave the scene. But here cops can’t execute you for it.

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                        @jon-nyc said in In Minneapolis:

                        At least two of his shots were after the bumper had moved beyond him Andy.

                        True she was on the wrong trying to leave the scene. But here cops can’t execute you for it.

                        Bingo. There was no reason to fire on her, he was well out of harm's way by that time. Yeah, she had a hand in the tragedy but that does not absolve the agent. As most of you know, I usually come down on the side of LEOs in these things, but I cannot here. That woman simply panicked when they got violent. It would have been an easy matter to pick her up later.

                        “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                        ― Douglas Adams

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                          There's a proliferation of AI modified "videos" from both sides now. Without direct access to the phones from Good's wife and the ICE agent who shot her (which have been confiscated by the FBI), I'm not sure we'll ever get an unbiased account,

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