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  • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

    And then I just saw this:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/17/us/politics/trump-putin-summit-papers-hotel.html
    Trump Administration Minimizes Summit Papers Left in Hotel
    "The papers, laying out the sequence of events and including the phone numbers of several officials, were found around 9 a.m. on Friday and sent to NPR by a guest of the hotel."

    What *&#$ idiots.

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    Bernard
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    #10

    @ShiroKuro said in Ukraine, the next steps:

    What *&#$ idiots.

    Yes, indeed.

    The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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    • Piano*DadP Offline
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      Piano*Dad
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      Perhaps not a coincidence that Ukraine is publicly talking about building a new easy-to-manufacture cruise missile system with a 1 ton payload capable of striking targets 3000 km away.

      https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/ukraines_flamingo_is_the_fp_5_missile_with_3000_km_range_and_a_one_ton_warhead-15513.html

      The system isn't hypothetical. It's operational.

      https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1957455584128545161

      Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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      • wtgW Offline
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        wtg
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        Watching the so-called press conference with Zelenskyy and Trump.

        Gawd, I'm so embarrassed by Trump. He's whining about how badly treated he is by the press. And when asked about the need for a ceasefire between Ukraine and Russia, he went off on a tangent talking about the six wars he's stopped in just six months, and how they never even considered a ceasefire in any of those.

        I can't f***ing believe this guy. Biden on his worst days made more sense.

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          His background in stand up comedy stands him in good stead.

          Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy may have traded his trademark olive drab for a sharp black suit at the White House on Monday, but he didn’t let a reporter off the hook for sticking to old habits.

          “You look fabulous in that suit,” Brian Glenn of the right-wing outlet Real America’s Voice told the Ukrainian president during his meeting with Donald Trump. Glenn had earlier critised Zelensky over his wardrobe choices during a February White House session.

          Trump quickly jumped in: “I said the same thing. Isn’t he the one who attacked you last time?”

          Zelenskyy smiled and fired back with the line of the day: “I remember him. But you [looking at the reporter] are in the same suit. I changed mine.”

          The exchange drew laughs.

          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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            wtg
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            #14

            Trump got rolled.

            No, our country got rolled.

            Putin: Look! Squirrel!!

            Trump's reponse:

            President Trump said Monday he would renew his assault on mail-in voting after Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin, told him to do so at their meeting in Alaska last week.

            The president provided few details, but wrote on social media that he would “lead a movement to get rid of MAIL-IN BALLOTS, and also, while we’re at it, Highly ‘Inaccurate,’ Very Expensive, and Seriously Controversial VOTING MACHINES.”

            Trump blamed his 2020 election loss to President Biden on a conspiracy of voter fraud. But independent analysts, state attorneys general and every court that reviewed the matter found no evidence of fraud that altered results in the race.

            “Vladimir Putin said something — one of the most interesting things. He said, ‘Your election was rigged because you have mail-in voting,’” Trump told Fox News in an interview.

            https://archive.is/53Zu3#selection-2953.0-2961.174

            My forehead is getting sore from all the facepalming...

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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            • RontunerR Offline
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              #15

              I'd be easily convinced that the "tech bros" managed to alter votes away from Harris...

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                I can't even with the voting stuff.... It just makes me feel full of despair because I don't see how we can have a legitimate election in the future, with all that Trump's being doing, and yes, those tech bros...

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                  wtg
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                  #17

                  Trump left the meeting yesterday to call Putin.

                  The leash is even shorter than I thought. And it's attached to a choke collar.

                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                    Short interview with Macron. He comments about what DJT said to him that was caught on a hot mic.

                    https://www.nbcnews.com/video/french-president-emmanuel-macron-responds-to-trump-s-comments-about-a-ukraine-deal-from-putin-245243461686

                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                      #19

                      @wtg for some reason that video won't play.

                      fear is the thief of dreams

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                        pique
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                        I think Canada and the EU are going to have to take drastic action. If Putin is allowed to get away with this, Europe is next. The gasbag-in-chief is obviously completely useless. Quit including him in anything. Quit deferring to him. Pretend he doesn't exist and go save Ukraine. People have got to learn how to deal with narcissistic sociopaths. It's not by pandering to them.

                        fear is the thief of dreams

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                          @wtg for some reason that video won't play.

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                          @pique said in Ukraine, the next steps:

                          @wtg for some reason that video won't play.

                          I'm using Brave as my browser on a Windows 11 PC. I just tried it and it auto-plays for me.

                          Maybe copy the link and try it in another browser?

                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                            I didn't see this earlier. It's the full 20 minute interview with Macron.

                            https://www.nbcnews.com/video/full-interview-french-president-macron-discusses-white-house-summit-on-war-in-ukraine-245275717602

                            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                              These are fine words, but Europe must remilitarize or submit. Simple choice.

                              Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                AndyD
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                                And yet I dislike your Vicepotus even more.

                                Not sure why tbh, he's an educated professional, served with the marines; but trad RC, opposed to abortion & gun control & same sex marriage.
                                It's easy to say Mr T is bloody awful because...
                                but I can't quite put my finger on my reason to dislike Mr V even more.

                                I digress

                                Ukraine looks like becoming another Korea. West Ukraine & East Ukraine

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                                  Daniel.
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                                  There would be historical precedent for it or at least historical explanation.

                                  In any case, no regime change in Russia. It's Russia, FFS. Let's get a grip.

                                  I'm not saying anything here wants it. It's what the neocons in both parties want.

                                  The clowns entertained me and scared me as clowns are wont to do to us.

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