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  • P pique

    @wtg for some reason that video won't play.

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    @pique said in Ukraine, the next steps:

    @wtg for some reason that video won't play.

    I'm using Brave as my browser on a Windows 11 PC. I just tried it and it auto-plays for me.

    Maybe copy the link and try it in another browser?

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      I didn't see this earlier. It's the full 20 minute interview with Macron.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/video/full-interview-french-president-macron-discusses-white-house-summit-on-war-in-ukraine-245275717602

      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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        These are fine words, but Europe must remilitarize or submit. Simple choice.

        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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          AndyD
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          And yet I dislike your Vicepotus even more.

          Not sure why tbh, he's an educated professional, served with the marines; but trad RC, opposed to abortion & gun control & same sex marriage.
          It's easy to say Mr T is bloody awful because...
          but I can't quite put my finger on my reason to dislike Mr V even more.

          I digress

          Ukraine looks like becoming another Korea. West Ukraine & East Ukraine

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            Daniel.
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            #25

            There would be historical precedent for it or at least historical explanation.

            In any case, no regime change in Russia. It's Russia, FFS. Let's get a grip.

            I'm not saying anything here wants it. It's what the neocons in both parties want.

            The clowns entertained me and scared me as clowns are wont to do to us.

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              #26

              Bit of background on Finland's Alexander Stubb.

              https://www.nbcnews.com/world/ukraine/unexpectedly-pivotal-figure-ukraine-negotiations-speaks-rcna225840

              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                I read there are a million dead in Ukraine. I'm definitely sure they are conscripting men by kidnapping them off the street. It's clearly a war meaning I guess it could go on like this indefinitely or there could be a peace deal. Ukraine's military is full of Nazis. I don't mean fascists. I mean Nazis. Why not bring this to an end instead of letting Ukraine suffer these terrible consequences and why keep throwing money into yet another foreign war while the US people continue to sustain vicious degradation in their ability to afford the necessities of life?

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                  Who is playing whom?

                  https://fortune.com/2025/08/31/putin-trump-whos-playing-who-russia-ukraine-ceasefire/

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                    Taking it to the next level.

                    A plane carrying European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen was hit by GPS interference on Sunday, with Russia suspected of being behind the attack.

                    “We can confirm there was GPS jamming but the plane landed safe,” Arianna Podestà, deputy spokesperson of the Commission, said in a statement shared with POLITICO.

                    Von der Leyen is on a tour visiting “frontline states” Latvia, Finland, Estonia, Poland, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Romania, in an effort to underscore the European Union’s commitment to ramping up its defense and security capabilities.

                    https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-plane-hit-by-gps-jamming-russia/

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                      Ukraine will not win this war because China is buying Russian oil propping up Putins economy; and China is providing drones for Russian use enabling Putins troops to increase attacks; and no doubt China is facilitating the movement of N Korean troops. Russia has become a proxy of China. A hundred thousand troops amassed ready to further invade Ukraine.

                      Apparently China now has the manufacturing ability to build the whole of the current UK Royal Navy in four years.

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