Watching the debate?
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Yup. It was terrible. Biden needs to step aside. He cannot win.
@Cindysphinx I agree. Biden needs to step down, make it clear he’s doing it for the good of the country, and very vocally support an alternative Dem candidate.
Can this happen? I’m not optimistic.
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I thought the same, @Mik . 350 million people in the country and this is the best we can do?
The only positive spin I can put on this is that Biden was so bad that he will withdraw and the Dems can offer someone who will look brilliant compared to the two choices before the country right now.
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From Heather Cox Richardson: https://www.facebook.com/B4TW24/posts/pfbid099VnyJXeguPVoSSCYTHBcEX3BuAWyoFBbM8846Z8fZx1aAqxRu44iL6AYmwEnGNKl
"At the end of the evening, pundits were calling not for Trump—a man liable for sexual assault and business fraud, convicted of 34 felonies, under three other indictments, who lied pathologically—to step down, but for Biden to step down…because he looked and sounded old"
Think about it...
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True, but all of that was known about Trump going in to the debate; GOP voters are the ones who have selected him as the nominee. Nothing new there.
Biden's situation, while whispered about for quite a while, was painfully laid out in the open last night.
No, I won't vote for Trump no matter what. While we focus on the person running for the top job, it's really a group of people who around the president who are running the country. People in Trump's first administration managed to keep him in check. None of those guardrails will be there the second time around as he surrounds himself with yes-men. I have far more confidence in the people around Biden to keep the country safe if he is no longer capable of calling the shots.
But I doubt that is the way that people who are on the fence will look at things.
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Vote for an old guy, or an old criminal who surrounds himself with criminals?
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@ShiroKuro
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@Rontuner said in Watching the debate?:
Vote for an old guy, or an old criminal who acts like a narcissistic five year old and who surrounds himself with criminals and/or people who have off-the-wall agendas?
I added a bit.
The problem with Biden is not that he's too old. It's that he can no longer do the job. If I had seen that debate performance from a sitting Republican president, I would think that invoking the 25th Amendment should be on the table.
I think that pretty much sums up the situation.
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Tom Friedman in the NYT.
I watched the Biden-Trump debate alone in a Lisbon hotel room, and it made me weep. I cannot remember a more heartbreaking moment in American presidential campaign politics in my lifetime, precisely because of what it revealed: Joe Biden, a good man and a good president, has no business running for re-election. And Donald Trump, a malicious man and a petty president, has learned nothing and forgotten nothing. He is the same fire hose of lies he always was, obsessed with his grievances — nowhere close to what it will take for America to lead in the 21st century.
The Biden family and political team must gather quickly and have the hardest of conversations with the president, a conversation of love and clarity and resolve. To give America the greatest shot possible of deterring the Trump threat in November, the president has to come forward and declare that he will not be running for re-election and is releasing all of his delegates for the Democratic National Convention.
The Republican Party, if its leaders had an ounce of integrity, would demand the same, but it won’t, because they don’t.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/joe-biden-tom-friedman.html
Can anyone do a gift link? I can read it using Reader Mode, but would be easier for other non-subscribers to get access.
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@Rontuner said in Watching the debate?:
Vote for an old guy, or an old criminal who surrounds himself with criminals?
I mean, I agree with you. But this doesn't represent the total set of choices, which is:
- Vote for an old
- Vote for an old criminal
- Don't vote, or write in some random person
This race will be decided as much by people choosing #3 as by those who choose the other options.
The students who protested on campuses in May and June are most likely going to choose #3. People on the fence about Biden who can't stand Trump will choose #3...
This is where I am coming from. I don't think we can win those folks over with the "Biden is better than Trump" argument.
Also, I am not worried about what would happen for the next four years if Biden gets elected. I am terrified of the thought that Biden could have a health event or something just before the election. Say in mid-October. And then what will happen?
He needs to withdraw, and he needs to do it now.
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Krugman wants Biden to drop out.
https://www.alternet.org/paul-krugman-biden-trump/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jun.28.2024_9.06pm -
The Dems are doing today what the Republicans had the courage to do during Watergate, namely to tell their party's president that it's time to call it quits. Not resign in this case, but to withdraw as the nominee.
If only the GOP had the courage in 2020 to do what they did back then. The country would be in a much better place.
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I disagree. Biden hasn't done anything close to Watergate. Yikes.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4745539-fetterman-defends-biden-debate-performance/
"Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.), who survived his own disastrous debate performance ahead of the 2022 election, told fellow Democrats to “chill the f‑‑‑ out” after media outlets reported Democrats are panicking over President Biden’s weak showing at Thursday’s debate against former President Trump."
