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  • RontunerR Rontuner

    I've seen many posts suggesting that all of those people that voted for Trump will soon have buyer's remorse when.....The economy tanks, or this or that thing happens or Trump doesn't "fix" something that they were so passionate about during the election season. That ignores the power of the media and information bubbles to divert attention....

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    ShiroKuro
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    @Rontuner said in WaPo dies in darkness:

    That ignores the power of the media and information bubbles to divert attention....

    Yep. I mean, I hope people have "buyer's remorse" (voter's remorse), but that requires them to be paying attention.

    I was reading somewhere else about how the country has the appropriate checks and balances to prevent the worst of Trump's authoritarian plans, but it will require people to be paying attention to ensure those checks and balances function as intended.... This makes me very pessimistic, because I don't think most people are interested in paying attention, and especially not for four years....

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      That's exactly the point - paying attention to what, exactly? The news? There are plenty that believe Trump did a great job at everything the first time because they were paying attention to what they believed was the truth...

      Ugh.

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        Doubt they will start paying attention until it is too late.

        “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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          They'll pay attention to the price of eggs. And gas.

          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          • RontunerR Rontuner

            That's exactly the point - paying attention to what, exactly? The news? There are plenty that believe Trump did a great job at everything the first time because they were paying attention to what they believed was the truth...

            Ugh.

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            ShiroKuro
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            @Rontuner said in WaPo dies in darkness:

            paying attention to what, exactly? The news?

            Good point.

            So, what about the rest of us? What should we be doing that counts as "paying attention" in a way that will help us ensure those checks and balances do their job? Or, what are we supposed to be doing to make sure those checks and balances do their job when the time comes?

            I mean this as a sincere question. Not just to Ron btw, to all of us.

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              Bernard
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              I cancelled my WaPo subscription when Bezos decided to censor his editorial board. Lost all respect. I have a NYTimes subscription but have only checked in once or twice since the election.... 24/7 news requires a lot of constantly talking heads and I just can't cope with it right now. In lieu of WaPo, I've gone over to The Guardian to see how that goes. I also follow TMP, and Robert Reich's substack. Need to check out MeidasTouch one of these days, I hear good things about it. I get snippets of news (small doses for now, thank you) from a gay site that has an overnight open thread.

              Perhaps it's more of a wish than a prediction, but I won't be surprise if the new administration oversteps and shoot themselves in the foot. I think they're going to self implode.

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                I cancelled my WaPo subscription when Bezos decided to censor his editorial board. Lost all respect. I have a NYTimes subscription but have only checked in once or twice since the election.... 24/7 news requires a lot of constantly talking heads and I just can't cope with it right now. In lieu of WaPo, I've gone over to The Guardian to see how that goes. I also follow TMP, and Robert Reich's substack. Need to check out MeidasTouch one of these days, I hear good things about it. I get snippets of news (small doses for now, thank you) from a gay site that has an overnight open thread.

                Perhaps it's more of a wish than a prediction, but I won't be surprise if the new administration oversteps and shoot themselves in the foot. I think they're going to self implode.

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                @Bernard I walked away from WaPo and NYT a few years ago and am looking for new sources.

                A few of us are reading Tangle.

                https://www.readtangle.com/

                I'm also trying out The Guardian.

                Thanks for the info about TMP, Reich, and Meidas Touch. Will check them out.

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  What is TMP? Talking Points Memo?

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                    What is TMP? Talking Points Memo?

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                    @RealPlayer Oops. Yes, TPM, Talking Points Memo.

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                      The NYT and The Washington Post are mouthpieces for the CIA not that there are not countless others but these two are easy to avoid.

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                        I encourage all of you to check out ProPublica, if you haven't already. Best reporting I've seen in a long, long time.

                        fear is the thief of dreams

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                          I encourage all of you to check out ProPublica, if you haven't already. Best reporting I've seen in a long, long time.

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                          @pique said in WaPo dies in darkness:

                          I encourage all of you to check out ProPublica, if you haven't already. Best reporting I've seen in a long, long time.

                          I’m guessing you are well familiar with this article.

                          https://www.propublica.org/article/thomas-weiner-montana-st-peters-hospital-oncology

                          Holy cow.

                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                            My God.

                            What an awful story.

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                              Daniel
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                              He got away with everything.

                              This story is horrifying.

                              The fact he used what he claimed to be Catholicism in the practice of medicine is bad enough but the fact he was acting as a cult leader is even worse.

                              Wow.

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                                WaPo struggling. Sinking?
                                https://www.axios.com/2024/12/17/washington-post-executive-editor-candidates-withdraw?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

                                “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                                  Bezos obviously knows how to run a commerce machine but his approach seems most likely to kill a journalistic enterprise. 😞

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                                    WaPo now has the company of ABC who has lost their credibility as well. We're in trouble when the media is owned by wealthy individuals or huge multi-national corporations.

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                                      Might WaPo be sold?

                                      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/washington-post-bezos-kara-swisher-bid-sale-b2668057.html

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                                        Where's that popcorn-eating gif when you need it....

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                                          Absolutely did see the ProPublica story about St Peter's hospital and Dr. Death. The whole town is in an uproar over it.

                                          fear is the thief of dreams

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