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  • MikM Mik

    @Piano-Dad said in Iran:

    @Mik said in Iran:

    Posturing. We're not going to join the war.

    Why do you say that? The US has moved substantial air/sea assets into place, including refueling planes necessary to keep an air effort going 24/7.

    Yes, it could all just be posturing or pressure. We'll see. But it's much more than Trump's usual lip shits.

    It just adds more credibility to the threat. I just don’t think he will. The only thing we can add is the MOPs and there’s no guarantee they can put Fordo out of business, plus it would spread radiation over the region. If that facility is to be shut down it will have to be by cutting off their power supply, destroying the tunnel access and possibly in combination with a ground assault.

    And don’t forget, every day is Taco Tuesday. If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. I don’t believe he would risk that.

    Our biggest threat here is overreach based on the Israeli successes. The mullahs have had their world rocked. At the very least their adventurism will be greatly chastened even if the regime manages to stay in power. We especially need to stay out of the regime change business. It’s what got us the last 45 years of Iran as we know it.

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    Daniel.
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    @Mik said in Iran:

    @Piano-Dad said in Iran:

    @Mik said in Iran:

    Posturing. We're not going to join the war.

    Why do you say that? The US has moved substantial air/sea assets into place, including refueling planes necessary to keep an air effort going 24/7.

    Yes, it could all just be posturing or pressure. We'll see. But it's much more than Trump's usual lip shits.

    It just adds more credibility to the threat. I just don’t think he will. The only thing we can add is the MOPs and there’s no guarantee they can put Fordo out of business, plus it would spread radiation over the region. If that facility is to be shut down it will have to be by cutting off their power supply, destroying the tunnel access and possibly in combination with a ground assault.

    And don’t forget, every day is Taco Tuesday. If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. I don’t believe he would risk that.

    Our biggest threat here is overreach based on the Israeli successes. The mullahs have had their world rocked. At the very least their adventurism will be greatly chastened even if the regime manages to stay in power. We especially need to stay out of the regime change business. It’s what got us the last 45 years of Iran as we know it.

    I agree completely.

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      Mik
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      Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

      “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
      ― Douglas Adams

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      • MikM Mik

        Last night I said If our ordinance failed it would destroy his presidency. Upon reflection I think if we were successful, the resulting radiation spewed would do that same thing. We cannot win here by getting involved. .

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        wtg
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        @Mik said in Iran:

        ordinance

        Ordnance, I think.

        Signed,
        The Pedant

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          Mik
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          So helpful.

          “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
          ― Douglas Adams

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            wtg
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            You're welcome. 😘

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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              wtg
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              #21

              https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-858121

              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                wtg
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                Um, OK. Not exactly confidence-inspiring.

                https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/18/trump-iran-may-strike-00412260

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  Daniel.
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                  Link to video

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                    Daniel.
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                    Link to video

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                      wtg
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                      #25

                      Donald Trump has denied a report in the Wall Street Journal that he has approved US plans to attack Iran, saying that the news outlet has “no idea” what his thinking is concerning the Israel-Iran conflict.

                      The Journal reported late on Wednesday that Trump told senior aides a day earlier that he had approved attack plans but was delaying on giving the final order to see if Tehran would abandon its nuclear program. The report cited three anonymous officials.

                      On Thursday, Trump responded to the report, posting on Truth Social: “The Wall Street Journal has No Idea what my thoughts are concerning Iran!”

                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/19/trump-iran-attack-plans-denial

                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                        Piano*Dad
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                        Of course he would deny it. No president would want that kind of information known.

                        On the other hand, it could just represent another instance of T.A.C.O.

                        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                          Axtremus
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                          https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/21/world/iran-israel-trump

                          Trump announced the United States had struck Fordo, Iran’s heavily fortified nuclear facilities, as well as two other sites.

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                            Piano*Dad
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                            Well, Mik, looks like I was right and you weren't... 😉

                            Trump has thrown the dice. He risks a significant rupture within his base over this.

                            If "I" was in charge, I would be telling Iran that we're taking out Fordo and nothing else. React and we'll take out other stuff. Why don't we talk now.

                            Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                              I find it interesting that all the headlines I've seen and heard use the caveat "Trump said." That means news organizations haven't yet independently verified the bombings.

                              fear is the thief of dreams

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                                wtg
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                                #30

                                From BBC News:

                                Apparently the Iranians acknowledged that the sites were hit. But that they had been evacuated and fissile materials were moved out a long time ago, so the bombings were ineffective.

                                https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckg3rzj8emjt

                                Hard to tell who is lying.

                                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                  Piano*Dad
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                                  The Israelis have deeply penetrated Iran. If they knew where a particular scientist's safe house hiding place was, do we really suppose that they don't know where the enriched material is housed?

                                  Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                    AndyD
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                                    #32

                                    As soon as Trump gave a two week warning I filled both cars with petrol (much good that it does🙄) thinking what choice will Iran & Israel give him... it will be sooner.

                                    Iran will respond. Always does. Question is, what ordnance do have they remaining and how.

                                    And if anything was removed from those sites the US will know. They'd know what time I cut the lawn yesterday and what I did with the cuttings if they wanted to😆

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                                      Daniel.
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                                      #33

                                      He's gone off the deep end. Glad the neocons including Republicans and Democrats got their way after decades of trying./ Sarcasm

                                      Did they listen to the intelligence? No. Did they listen to the war criminal Netanyahu (again!)? Yes. Will this war be a disaster like all the previous wars going back to Vietnam? Yes.

                                      What a sorry world we live in.

                                      Let's risk blowing it all up and making it uninhabitable. I'm sure Elon will take us to Mars in his spaceships and if we're lucky he'll let us drive a rust bucket truck. /Sarcasm

                                      This has been planned for decades.

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                                        Daniel.
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                                        Link to video

                                        "Don't let facts get in your way."

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                                          wtg
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                                          Good discussion on Fareed's show this morning. Head of the IAEA group that was in Iran, Richard Haas, and James Stavridis. The IAEA guy said it's impossible to know how much damage there is until someone gets a closer look.

                                          Will post transcript when it becomes available.

                                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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