Watching the debate?

[Rontuner]

I. Just. Can't.

[Mik]

[ShiroKuro]

I don't think I can watch it either...

[Steve Miller]

I started to but after about 15 minutes I went downstairs.

[Mik]

This is the night Joe lost the election.

[Mik]

Well that’s how it started out. Trump could have come out the clear winner if he could stay out of the gutter and simply answer the questions. But he hasn’t.

[ShiroKuro]

So it’s not over yet? I’m afraid to even read about how it’s going…

[Steve Miller]

@ShiroKuro said in Watching the debate?:

So it’s not over yet? I’m afraid to even read about how it’s going…

Best you don’t.

[Cindysphinx]

Yup. It was terrible. Biden needs to step aside. He cannot win.

[Mik]

They both need to take a long walk on a short pier. It was worse than the Brown-Mandel debates in Ohio. At least in the that one Brown was competent, informed and well spoken.

[ShiroKuro]

@Cindysphinx I agree. Biden needs to step down, make it clear he’s doing it for the good of the country, and very vocally support an alternative Dem candidate.

Can this happen? I’m not optimistic.

[Rontuner]

So you would change your vote to Trump based on the debate?

[ShiroKuro]

Absolutely not.

[ShiroKuro]

But I think some people might, and others might just not vote.

I think this spells disaster. And I agree with the various journalists I’m seeing this morning calling for Biden to withdraw for the good of the country.

[Mik]

We deserve better, between the constant stream of confusion and the constant stream of lies.

[wtg]

I thought the same, @Mik . 350 million people in the country and this is the best we can do?

The only positive spin I can put on this is that Biden was so bad that he will withdraw and the Dems can offer someone who will look brilliant compared to the two choices before the country right now.

[Rontuner]

From Heather Cox Richardson: https://www.facebook.com/B4TW24/posts/pfbid099VnyJXeguPVoSSCYTHBcEX3BuAWyoFBbM8846Z8fZx1aAqxRu44iL6AYmwEnGNKl

"At the end of the evening, pundits were calling not for Trump—a man liable for sexual assault and business fraud, convicted of 34 felonies, under three other indictments, who lied pathologically—to step down, but for Biden to step down…because he looked and sounded old"

Think about it...

[wtg]

True, but all of that was known about Trump going in to the debate; GOP voters are the ones who have selected him as the nominee. Nothing new there.

Biden's situation, while whispered about for quite a while, was painfully laid out in the open last night.

No, I won't vote for Trump no matter what. While we focus on the person running for the top job, it's really a group of people who around the president who are running the country. People in Trump's first administration managed to keep him in check. None of those guardrails will be there the second time around as he surrounds himself with yes-men. I have far more confidence in the people around Biden to keep the country safe if he is no longer capable of calling the shots.

But I doubt that is the way that people who are on the fence will look at things.

[ShiroKuro]

Ron — point taken. They should both step down, for very different reasons!

[Rontuner]

Vote for an old guy, or an old criminal who surrounds himself with criminals?