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    kluurs
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    I would have hoped that he didn't do what we all knew he would do. I'm also wondering why now and not closer to leaving office.

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      I would have hoped that he didn't do what we all knew he would do. I'm also wondering why now and not closer to leaving office.

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      wtg
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      @kluurs said in My prediction:

      I would have hoped that he didn't do what we all knew he would do.

      I guess @ShiroKuro and I are the odd persons out on this one.

      I'm also wondering why now and not closer to leaving office.

      Wasn't sentencing supposed to happen shortly? Plus it dropped on Sunday of the Thanksgiving weekend. Get it over with as little fanfare as possible.

      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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        Rontuner
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        Watching Trump use the system for decades to repeatedly break the law convinced me long ago that the justice system hasn't been about justice for a long time...

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          The NYT published Biden's explanation for why he decided to pardon his son. I agree with every word of it. I would have been disappointed in him as a father and as a human being if he hadn't pardoned Hunter. I feel a lot of relief that he had the wisdom and compassion to do this. It was the right thing to do. Hunter was being treated very unfairly.

          fear is the thief of dreams

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            jon-nyc
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            I disagree.

            1. It's true that few people are ever prosecuted for the gun charge on its own, but Hunter actually copped to the crime in a book he published for personal financial gain. THat's the kind of thing the DoJ would look into. If he hadn't included that detail in his book, I'd agree.

            2. It's true that most people who don't pay their taxes but eventually pay them with interest and penalties are not prosecuted, but the ones they actually do prosecute tend to be high-profile people, in order to send a message to the broader public. He was just such a person so it wasn't out of the ordinary for them to go after him on that one. I do think if there was a more tightly negotiated plea deal it would have been accepted by the court. But the ambiguity in the actual plea deal, which was probably the result of aggressive representation protecting him from other potential charges, ultimately tanked it.

            3. If his (President Biden's) real concern was what he said it was, i.e. future charges by a politicized DoJ (a very real concern, btw), he could have pardoned him for any potential crimes from 2014-2024 EXCEPT the two he had been charged with. That way he would have kept his promise, while also protecting his son from Trumpian lawfare.

            My view has long been that Biden was always going to pardon him if it were necessary to keep him out of prison. As a father I don't blame him at all, I would absolutely do the same thing.

            I just wish he had been honest and said 'I'm doing this because he's my only surviving child, he's vulnerable, and because I can' and not thrown his own DoJ under the bus.

            Having said all that, I agree with his points about political pressure changing the outcome of his plea deal.

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              We're all self-centred and hypocritical to some extent; Presidents are no exception

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                wtg
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                Guess I'm with Isaac Saul. Didn't think Biden would do the pardon, and the pardon as executed is really disappointing.

                https://www.readtangle.com/the-hunter-biden-pardon/

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                  CHAS
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                  "Trump Blasts Biden for Issuing Pardon Without Being Paid For It"-The Bprowitz Report

                  “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                    Bernard
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                    As the saying goes, "All's fair in love and war." These are not peaceful times. The DOJ managed to elevate Hunter's case to a level that seems inappropriate. At the same time, they avoided prosecuting Trump until it was too late. (Justice in America? What justice?) In the grand scheme of things, that is the real crime. It is angering that on the one hand we have corruption going unchecked, and on the other a president who has to be taken to task for protecting his son. Compared to Trump's pardons, Biden's pardon seems benign (except for the blanket part). The optics of Biden's pardon are horrible and he does come across as aloof at times. It's not the first time he's reneged on a promise and the price to pay for both reversals is steep. That's also aggravating.

                    Perhaps it wasn't right. . . but are these normal times? The good guys are going to be held to higher standard than the bad, I'm afraid. I am happy at the poke in the eye to the republicans, but enormously frustrated at the palaver of it all.

                    I will remain of mixed mind over it for now.

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                      Republicans have given up on the lie/fantasy that "justice is blind" or "we are all equal under the law", and have shown willingness to weaponize the justice arm of the government while Democrats still try to cling to the myth...

                      Just another example of the two sides playing by different rule books!

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                        AdagioM
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                        Different rule books, indeed. Biden should just stop talking about it, much like the MAGAs just move on to the next outrage.

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                          wtg
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                          John Dean’s thoughts. He may have something here.

                          https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/03/politics/video/john-dean-biden-pardon-trump-political-enemies-src-digvid

                          Trump’s head would explode.

                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                            John Dean’s thoughts. He may have something here.

                            https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/03/politics/video/john-dean-biden-pardon-trump-political-enemies-src-digvid

                            Trump’s head would explode.

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                            @wtg

                            Good grief.

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                              Emerson College poll. The second question, about possible Jan 6 pardons by Trump, is interesting....

                              Voters were asked if they supported or opposed President Biden’s pardon of his son Hunter. A majority (52%) oppose, 28% support the decision, and 19% are unsure. Voters were also asked if they would support President-elect Trump’s issuing of pardons to people involved in the events of January 6; 50% oppose, 34% support, and 16% are neutral.

                              https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-poll-young-voters-diverge-from-majority-on-crypto-tiktok-and-ceo-assassination/

                              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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