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Help with this rolled chord in Clair de Lune?

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  • ShiroKuroS
    ShiroKuroS
    ShiroKuro
    wrote last edited by ShiroKuro
    #6

    BTW, I like my new teacher but she's no where near as dynamic and creative an instructor as my previous teacher was.

    That's the way the system here works (uni music school), I don't have much choice, and my teacher last year is graduating in Dec (with a doctorate in piano performance) so she's not teaching this semester anyway.

    It's fine, but it really underscores 1) how good my last teacher was, and 2) how inexperienced my current teacher is as a teacher.

    All the ideas in this thread are things I don't think she would come up with, but I bet my previous teacher would. She had a trick or a solution to anything I threw at her.

    /threaddrift

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      kluurs
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      #7

      I do the 54321 for the third chord. It's only an octave, but yes, I do find my self leaning to the right a bit to make it comfortable.

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        jon-nyc
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        #8

        I’m not near my piano (in Miami for a conference) but will chime in in a few days. I play that last chord real slow. I like how the C hits before the A, breaking the ‘trebleward’ roll a bit.

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        • J jon-nyc

          I’m not near my piano (in Miami for a conference) but will chime in in a few days. I play that last chord real slow. I like how the C hits before the A, breaking the ‘trebleward’ roll a bit.

          ShiroKuroS
          ShiroKuroS
          ShiroKuro
          wrote last edited by ShiroKuro
          #9

          thanks @kluurs and @jon-nyc !

          @jon-nyc said:

          I like how the C hits before the A

          me too!

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            RealPlayer
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            #10

            5-4-3-2-1, but I have big paws. And a thumb that bends outward more than usual (don’t know what that’s called).

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            • ShiroKuroS
              ShiroKuroS
              ShiroKuro
              wrote last edited by
              #11

              I think I am going to leave out that Gb. If I do that, I can roll the chord in one motion.

              It seems almost blasphemous to drop a note when this whole is all about tone colors, but it’s one nanosecond across the whole piece, and trying to get those five notes in was making my wrist hurt. Four notes seems much more doable.

              We’ll see what my teacher thinks at tomorrow’s lesson.

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              • ShiroKuroS
                ShiroKuroS
                ShiroKuro
                wrote last edited by
                #12

                P.S. just in case: I realized in the OP photo you can’t see the clef, but the LH is in treble clef here.

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                • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

                  I think I am going to leave out that Gb. If I do that, I can roll the chord in one motion.

                  It seems almost blasphemous to drop a note when this whole is all about tone colors, but it’s one nanosecond across the whole piece, and trying to get those five notes in was making my wrist hurt. Four notes seems much more doable.

                  We’ll see what my teacher thinks at tomorrow’s lesson.

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                  Bernard
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                  #13

                  @ShiroKuro If it were me I'd leave out the Db in the left hand as it will be far less noticeable and a Db appears in the right hand as well so it won't be entirely missing from the chord. The Gb seems pretty important to the harmonic movement and it's the only Gb in the chord so it's elimination would make a big difference.

                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                  • B Bernard

                    @ShiroKuro If it were me I'd leave out the Db in the left hand as it will be far less noticeable and a Db appears in the right hand as well so it won't be entirely missing from the chord. The Gb seems pretty important to the harmonic movement and it's the only Gb in the chord so it's elimination would make a big difference.

                    ShiroKuroS
                    ShiroKuroS
                    ShiroKuro
                    wrote last edited by
                    #14

                    @Bernard said:

                    If it were me I'd leave out the Db in the left hand as it will be far less noticeable and a Db appears in the right hand as well so it won't be entirely missing from the chord. The Gb seems pretty important to the harmonic movement and it's the only Gb in the chord so it's elimination would make a big difference.

                    Thanks so much for this suggestion!! I wasn't tracking that Db in the RH, but of course, there it is!

                    I played it w/o the Gb and thought it sounded fine, and it was sooo much easier to play, so I thought I'd go with that. But finger-wise, if I don't have to get 2 on that Db, doing 5-4-3 on Eb-Gb-Ab and then 1 on Eb ought to be relatively easy.

                    I will try this tonight when I practice.

                    Thank you!!!

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                    • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

                      @Bernard said:

                      If it were me I'd leave out the Db in the left hand as it will be far less noticeable and a Db appears in the right hand as well so it won't be entirely missing from the chord. The Gb seems pretty important to the harmonic movement and it's the only Gb in the chord so it's elimination would make a big difference.

                      Thanks so much for this suggestion!! I wasn't tracking that Db in the RH, but of course, there it is!

                      I played it w/o the Gb and thought it sounded fine, and it was sooo much easier to play, so I thought I'd go with that. But finger-wise, if I don't have to get 2 on that Db, doing 5-4-3 on Eb-Gb-Ab and then 1 on Eb ought to be relatively easy.

                      I will try this tonight when I practice.

                      Thank you!!!

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                      Bernard
                      wrote last edited by
                      #15

                      @ShiroKuro I barely notice it if the Db is dropped from the left hand. Think of it as changing the voicing (dropping the LH Db) versus changing the harmony (dropping the Gb).

                      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                      • B Bernard

                        @ShiroKuro I barely notice it if the Db is dropped from the left hand. Think of it as changing the voicing (dropping the LH Db) versus changing the harmony (dropping the Gb).

                        ShiroKuroS
                        ShiroKuroS
                        ShiroKuro
                        wrote last edited by
                        #16

                        @Bernard said:

                        I barely notice it if the Db is dropped from the left hand. Think of it as changing the voicing (dropping the LH Db) versus changing the harmony (dropping the Gb).

                        Yes, it makes total sense! I'm looking forward to trying it this evening. The big question is how it feels under my fingers. I will report back! 🙂

                        And thank you for this suggestion, now I won't look like an idiot in my lesson tomorrow for not having noticed this! 😄

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