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  • wtgW Offline
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    wtg
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    #2

    Fetterman had some interesting things to say during the hearing; he asked no questions. Pity he wasn't the one running the show...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/fetterman-fauci-regret-dismissing-lab-130000611.html

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    • J Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #3

      I agree he’s not the villain. Remember Trump gave him an award on his last day in office.

      Public health officials are not blameless though. I had this to say next door. Fauci’s personal involvement varies over the four.


      I don’t blame him for the evolving messaging as we learned more. I don’t blame him for recommending lockdowns, public health officials are by nature conservative.

      I blame him and other public health officials for four things, which ultimately hurt them and their credibility.

      1. The proximal origins paper and the actions around it which seem to have been designed to stigmatize even the discussion of a lab leak origin.

      2. The ‘regulatory bank shots’ where they tell you a lie so that you’ll behave in a way they want you to (eg early advice to not buy masks which they later reversed when supply chains recovered)

      3. The exceptions to Covid restrictions granted for approved political purposes. That ruined their credibility for a generation.

      4. The attempts, only partially thwarted, to prioritize certain races in vaccine distribution even at the cost of net higher deaths as long as those deaths occurred among less favored races.

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        jon-nyc
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        #4

        (Don’t take any of the above to indicate any support whatsoever for Rand Paul’s attempted show trial)

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        • MikM Offline
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          Too much bloodlust in the far right.

          “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
          ― Douglas Adams

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          • MikM Mik

            Too much bloodlust in the far right.

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            ShiroKuro
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            #6

            @Mik said:

            Too much bloodlust in the far right.

            Yes indeed.

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            • B Online
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              Bernard
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              We may never get to the bottom of it. It seems too much a coincidence to me that my cousin ended up in hospital in December of 2019 with respiratory problems. His illness, whatever it was--the doctors didn't know--progressed rapidly. He was told he'd be on a respirator for the rest off his life. He was 72ish. He died in January 2020--a month after symptoms appeared. I have never spoken to his wife about it, but the last time I saw her was at his funeral.

              Then there are the December 2019 case(s) that appeared in Italy. Even though the official story is that the first US case was documented on Jan. 20, 2020, it seems to me that the virus was making it's way around the world before then. And it seems likely to me that's what my cousin died of.

              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                jon-nyc
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                That’s sad. I too lost a cousin though well into the pandemic. My sister’s best friend died of “flu” in January 2020. Almost certainly it was Covid.

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                  My son and now daughter in law were the sickest they've ever been around Xmas 2019. She was working front desk at a downtown Chicago hotel and I'd bet there were cases going around here long before that first documented case.

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                    AndyD
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                    We just rolled out eyes at the non-takers and no-maskers, for whatever reason they gave, and muttered quietly "Darwinism in action".
                    Guess that we are far more trusting of our NHS.

                    Little doubt that it came from a Wuhan laboratory is there?
                    Our first known case in November 2019:

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                    Ventosa viri restabit

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                      jon-nyc
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                      #11

                      My understanding is the technical virological evidence on either explanation is circumstantial.

                      The human evidence is more damning though and points to a lab leak. Like when the lab permanently took their virus database offline in the fall of 2019.

                      As one wag put it, "Why would bat-virus scientists working at a bat-virus lab hide bat-virus data during a local bat-virus outbreak?"

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                        No cross over animal from bat to human has been found.
                        Is it just a massive coincidence the market at the hub of the pandemic is so close to the Wuhan Institue of Virolgy?

                        CIA and FBI both say it was laboratory sourced.
                        Yet:
                        https://theconversation.com/the-covid-lab-leak-theory-is-dead-heres-how-we-know-the-virus-came-from-a-wuhan-market-188163

                        Ventosa viri restabit

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                        • AndyDA AndyD

                          No cross over animal from bat to human has been found.
                          Is it just a massive coincidence the market at the hub of the pandemic is so close to the Wuhan Institue of Virolgy?

                          CIA and FBI both say it was laboratory sourced.
                          Yet:
                          https://theconversation.com/the-covid-lab-leak-theory-is-dead-heres-how-we-know-the-virus-came-from-a-wuhan-market-188163

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                          wtg
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                          @AndyD said:

                          CIA and FBI both say it was laboratory sourced.

                          Not arguing that it didn't come from the lab, but when did the CIA and FBI determine that? The Conversation article you linked is from 2022. Just wondering if it's an apples to apples comparison....

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