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  • C CHAS

    @Steve-Miller
    Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado says Biden will not win. Bennet is 59.
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    @CHAS

    Why would he say that? What’s his agenda?

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      @CHAS

      Why would he say that? What’s his agenda?

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      @Steve-Miller
      What I know is in the link.

      “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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        From someone who a) knows Joe well, b) has interacted with him recently, and c) has the inside scoop from Dem leaders.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/opinion/joe-biden-democratic-nominee.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6E0.n0A7.2NaljBZKFy2t&smid=em-share

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          Wow... waiting to see if anything changes over the next few days.

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            This:

            But our party leaders need to stop telling us that 51 million people didn’t see what we just saw.

            And also this:

            Joe Biden is a hero; he saved democracy in 2020. We need him to do it again in 2024.

            Please, President Biden, please, listen!!

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              Things crumbling from the inside?

              https://www.axios.com/2024/07/11/biden-leaks-inner-circle-polling

              https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/11/biden-inner-circle-democrats-problems-00167636

              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                Much as it pains me, I'll be watching the press conference.

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  He introduced Zelensky as "President Putin" earlier today.

                  He just referred to Vice President Harris as Vice President Trump.

                  :woman-facepalming:

                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                    He called Kamala "Trump" in the first minutes of the news conference.
                    I think the dam has broken and the not Biden crowd will force him out.

                    “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                      From The Lincoln Project:
                      "Yes, we have to end the noise and focus. But consider this. Democrats are showing that, unlike MAGA, they’re not completely married to a candidate (As an aside, being married to Trump generally doesn’t turn out well.) They’re showing that if President Biden were convicted of 34 felonies, found liable for sexual assault, and found guilty of fraud in his home state, Democrats wouldn’t keep backing him. That’s healthy. That’s a party that functions as a democracy. That’s the party that should be representing the United States after November. Not one that backs a crazed orange dictator to the ends of the Earth.

                      “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                        Thanks for that @CHAS . I needed it.

                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                          @CHAS yep!

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                            I actually thought he did pretty well.

                            “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                            ― Douglas Adams

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                              I must be the only one who thinks he did OK. He displayed a fine command of situations and policies, and the why and wherefore of them. And he didn't tell any obvious bullshit stories. Other than "I was in the Senate a long time", he didn't repeat himself.

                              “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                              ― Douglas Adams

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                                I couldn't watch, but I believe the bar is set impossibly high at this point. He would have to prove that he was the Joe of 10 years ago. (who wasn't honestly that great in public...) There is this expectation that someone great on the stump or in a debate will translate into an effective person in government. I don't believe that to be true!

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                                  I must be the only one who thinks he did OK. He displayed a fine command of situations and policies, and the why and wherefore of them. And he didn't tell any obvious bullshit stories. Other than "I was in the Senate a long time", he didn't repeat himself.

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                                  @Mik I think he did ok, too, but I don't think I was expecting much from him. He did indeed demonstrate his command of foreign policy.

                                  Most people don't go off the cognitive cliff in one leap; things happen gradually over time. My issue is that his performance is showing a definite decline. I don't think he has the stamina for another four years of a presidential schedule in him, even if he does pace himself better. I don't know how he'll even get through the campaign.

                                  I see the polls aren't changing much. It may well be that this is a case of the not Trump/not Biden election, and that nothing is going to change people's vote. As I said before, I think another Trump presidency will be a dumpster fire, so I'll do everything I can to stop it from happening, so I'll be voting for Biden.

                                  As usual, it's going to come down to that 5 or 10 percent of folks in the middle.

                                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                    Speaking of polls....

                                    https://www.npr.org/2024/07/12/nx-s1-5036518/biden-trump-poll

                                    I haven't seen polling at the state level for the battlegrounds...

                                    It's gonna be a long slog till November, no matter what...

                                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                      I winced every time he got a name or a title wrong.

                                      I thought the "Trump is on the golf course filling in his scorecard before he hits the ball" line was a good zinger, and it'll land with the audience of one.

                                      He had a pretty impressive grasp of facts and foreign policy. And he's at his best when he's being human, making jokes or relating to people. Maybe that's why foreign leaders are supportive of him. But he also did a lot of verbal stumbling, and he seems old. He's not going to get younger over the next four-and-a-half years. Decline is progressive. The man he was four years ago is not the man he is today, and the man he is today will not be the man he is four years from now.

                                      Still far, far better than Trump. Trump couldn't hope to hold in his head (and wouldn't try) all the facts and details that Joe rattled off last night.

                                      But Trump also covers better for his dementia. He has a version the "for a variety of reasons" ducking and bobbing that a former boss of mine employed when he was on the ropes down pat. And almost all of his voters seem not to care when he babbles nonsense about batteries and sharks, or U.S. airports, or the danger to tourists who visit D.C.

                                      People want to say that the press holds him to a lower standard, but really it's the public. If the press harps on Trump's gaffes, most of their readers yawn. They're giving readers what they want to read, and for some reason they want to read about how Joe seems really old and in decline.

                                      I don't see how Biden wins, and, if he wins, I don't see how he serves four years. Even so, miles better than Trump. But I think we need to switch horses.

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                                        I thought Biden did ok, but ok isn’t good enough at this point.
                                        I agree w @wtg that his decline likely waxes and wanes and yesterday’s performance doesn’t mean we’re out of the woods.

                                        And I agree w @Quirt-Evans , we need to switch horses if we want to win.

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                                          Before the debate...

                                          https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-guests-recount-concerns-after-biden-weeks/story?id=111849442

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