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  • Great summary. From a palestianian no less.

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    My longest post ever...apologies for rambling a bit... "You apparently have bought the anti-Israel narrative hook, line, and sinker, never thinking about how that narrative distorts and manipulates its consumers." Yes, it is about narratives. When growing up, the history of the US narrative was... an oppressed people persecuted for their religion come to a new world try to negotiate with indigenous people to secure land expand by manifest destiny fight for freedom transform the nation via hard work and ingenuity - a marvel to the world become a leader in technology win a couple of world wars - almost single handedly For Israel, the narrative that often emerged in the 1960s... an oppressed people persecuted for their religion come to a new world the land of their ancestors - " try to negotiate with indigenous people to secure offer to share land with these people - to live in peace instead of accepting the hand of friendship, attacked by all the nations that surrounded it fight for freedom very existence - and survive an industrious people transform an inhospitable desert via hard work and ingenuity into a thriving nation - a marvel to the world become a leader in technology win a couple of world several wars with neighbors hostile to its existence- almost single handedly. If ever Israel falters in diligence, it may be wiped off the face of the earth - clearly , a goal of its neighbors cannot provide autonomy or nationhood to the previous inhabitants of that fake nation (Palestine) because it would destabilize the region and undermine Israel's security Some on the left have suggested that the US narrative has both factual and emphasis errors. They note that US... cheated, subjugated, killed and otherwise oppressed the indigenous people that some of its leaders were corrupt, greedy, self serving that some of its military actions were bent on conquest and enrichment that African Americans and Native Americans really were oppressed by the dominant culture. Clearly, these are leftists who hate America. Perhaps, the nation needs to Make America Great Again. As for the narrative regarding Israel, for Jews in America the above narrative is a bit deficient -a bit more difficult for non-Jews to fully appreciate. I'll leave it at that. What concerns me... Some of Israel’s strongest supporters may be overzealous in countering criticism, sometimes equating criticism with antisemitism. That is not to say that there aren't antisemitic people out there. That both saddens, angers and depresses me. As a student of the holocaust, I sensitive to this issue. Student protestors use some of the most counterproductive, stupid, ill-conceived methodologies for providing a counter narrative. In the 21st century - as in no other, we can live in virtual communities of information where all that flows to us supports our view of the world. To the extent we look at counterpoints to that view, they often come from our trusted source - and these counterpoints are often made by: a weak, inarticulate source a product of clear factual errors. a portion of a narrative taken out of context that supports one's views the straw man This, of course, assumes that individuals desire and actively seek out opposing viewpoints. I entered this discussion because I disagree with the near reflexive dismissal of students as uninformed and having failed to do research. While I appreciate the nation of Israel feels a need to control the narrative - just as other governments, I do take issue with the heavy hand that AIPAC and the US government take in trying to address that - e.g. deporting a student with a pro-Palestinian viewpoint - defining anyone supports Palestinians as pro-terrorists. And - emphasis added – I think it is counterproductive to both Israel and the US government's long-term interests to be so heavy handed - though I could be wrong. If Israel and the US can reach the North Korean level of control, it may work but do any of us want this? The distrust of Netanyahu and Israel's narrative producers help to make young folks question things... For example, when clearly marked international aid groups or medical staff are killed by Israel - with the vaunted narrative of "we use precise targeting" - is the narrative wrong or the narrative is correct and the attack resulted in the positive impact of the aid organization leaving Palestine. Hamas’s actions are undeniably reprehensible. However, nations should be accountable for its security forces and policies, Israel must face scrutiny for its heavy-handed tactics which some reasonable people and organizations feel have risen to the level of war crimes. Emotion – along with narratives, help the creation of narratives and lead us forward. I have friends of friends who lost relatives on October 7. I would not engage in this kind of discussion with these people. Their grief takes precedence. For those with a deep love of and identification with Israel as more than a country or a people – but as an ideal, it is tough to objective. After 9/11, it was tough for most of us to be objective. It is human nature. Still, I wanted to advocate for the students because I have seen what they have seen – and it isn’t a 5-minute glance at Tik Tok. Over the past year, they’ve seen scores of horror stories. I’ll save you the hours of watching – and just list some of what I’ve seen – as a relatively uninvolved observer... video narratives of doctors tortured – and killed dead children with head shots, israeli soldiers saying that all Palestinians are animals and should be killed, other IDF soldiers bragging of killing – in one case beheading children – a few of which have the header, “most moral army”, Israeli leaders speaking in Hebrew of the need to eradicate the Palestinians, Israeli leaders sharing maps of their goals of a greater Israel incorporating much of the surrounding nations, attacks on schools and hospitals, the counterpoint of the precision aiming solely at Hamas – with the visuals of total destruction as far as the eye can see, Israeli civilians attacking aid trucks providing food and medical supplies for the Palestinian community, Israeli IDF troops destroying medical equipment in hospitals, videos of IDF snipers shooting individual women and children – along videos of Israeli troops shooting indiscriminately into neighborhoods, video of Netanyahu in 2019 explaining “anyone who wants to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas. This is part of our strategy to divide the Palestinians between those in Gaza and those in Judea and Samaria, at least one video I’ve seen of a classroom in Israel with very young appearing to be nurtured to hate and dehumanize Palestinians, discussing the goal of destroying Muslim temples and wanting to kill Muslims, oodles of videos of Israeli settlers and IDF – destroying West Bank homes, crops, olive trees, etc. videos of examples of Israeli government narrative that are not only in error, but deliberate misrepresentations. videos of sailors from the USS Liberty sharing that they strongly believe and cite evidence of a deliberate attack on the ship, narratives of Israeli troops shooting a Palestinian, then waiting to kill those who come to their rescue – along with other times attacking clearly marked ambulances, Jewish rabbis and Jewish intellectuals condemning Israel’s actions and decrying Israel’s ethnic cleansing, few – but still informative videos of the early Zionist movement with quotes and photos of articles sharing how a militant take over of the region would be necessary to establish a Jewish state, in one case, an intriguing video where a non-Jewish American woman is explaining to a Hassidic Jew that he is not Jewish for his support for Palestinian rights, many videos of soldiers destroying homes, bulldozers tearing up streets, crushing cars, etc., a few videos from the Israelis from the early days of Israel, smiling as they discuss killing Palestinians and children while noting that they shouldn’t probably share this information, at least one video narratiung of IDF solider from the 1990s breaking the bones of a Palestinians, narrative videos suggesting and providing some evidence of the Hammurabi directive – whereby Israeli troops killed Israelis on 10/7 – preferring to have dead citizens who could be used to justify the “mowing the lawn” rather than having to negotiate for the release of hostages, a video of an Israeli official arguing that Israeli soldiers should be permitted to rape Palestinian prisoners, a few videos of NGO leaders talking about the run around that Israeli officials engaged in to ensure that the supplies would not reach Palestinian areas, parents picking up their dead children, children seeing the mutilated bodies of their parents, But there’s so much more… If you would like to see any of the above, I’ll share. And yes, I know there is a counternarrative of 10/7 and horrendous images from that. I know - there are videos that show the other side. I've seen many. But let me share one videoPG13 one. Still, what's so special about Israel torturing a physician to death compared to other horrors? Well, first off, he was a good man who cared for others. Second, he was targeted. He wasn't walking across some field minding his busines - only to be shot. Some folks in Israell wanted him dead - and there would be no consequences. From the standpoint of moral clarity, he cared for Palestinians, non-humans, people who could harm Israelis. Kill him and you're killing not just one man - but all whose lives he would touch and care for, a strategic decision - like killing children before they can grow and learn to hate. See a bunch of these videos over the year - wonder if they have an impact on the viewer? Controlling or influencing the narrative – works only if one limits the channels for information. Thus, the internet offers an opportunity to personally limit one’s access to a single channel – or the state can try and do that. Again, in sorting through some of this – I’m doing this for me. Again, I don’t know that Israel is doing anything that other powers haven’t done. The US certainly has no right to criticize if it honestly references its own history. The scary thought in all of his has to do with morality. And pardon me if I show bias here, but I think a greater than to be expected number of Jews, perhaps more than at least as much as any other people, have a commitment to moral values. AJewish girl I dated in college – saw a 5-dollar bill blowing down the street. I picked it up and handed it to her as she had seen it. She refused it - as she explained, “it is not mine.” Any study of Jewish culture, philosophy and art is a rewarding one – but being human – having human emotions – conflicting desires and personalities – can lead even moral people into a dark corner. But for at least third time, I find the blanket condemnation of people who criticize the actions of Israel’s leadership, its military, the ambitious settlers, its policies, or even its most prized of truths – that it deserves to be where it is – deserve to be heard and discussed. I find the effortless dismissal of students or other critics of Israel to intellectually and morally deficient – though I understand and appreciate that hearts usually trump (hate that word) even quite gifted minds. Additional Background Years ago, I was reading an essay by the respected Jewish scholar – Isiaah Berlin in which he spoke quite pessimistically about the future of humanity. I was disheartened as I want to be optimistic – perhaps, too many cartoons as a child. As I grow older, I’m more sympathetic to Berlin’s less than hopeful view of the future of humanity. As I suggested earlier, I grew up admiring Israel, its people and its achievements. With time, I still have much admiration for its people and its achievements – though there is much more nuance and concern. Perhaps a turning point – over 30 years ago, I watched a video with rabbi friend as a poorly dressed Palestinian man cowering by a wall as he was shot by a sniper. In the video he is trying to cover a child of 6 of 7 years old, but the sniper then shot and killed the child. I turned to my friend and said, “that was deliberate.” He grimly responded, “I know.” Perhaps it was out of kindness that the sniper killed the child for he would have been an orphan and lost his father. But the sniper deprived both of them life - a life that was meant for more than to be so easily dismissed. That was when some innocence in my view of Israel was lost.
  • PetroDollar, PetroYuan, Digital Currencies ...

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  • So what if they defy a judge

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    Venezuela will once again accept repatriation flights from the United States carrying its deported nationals after reaching an agreement with the U.S., a Venezuelan official said on social media Saturday. Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro suspended flights on March 8, after the U.S. Treasury Department announced the withdrawal of Chevron’s license to export Venezuelan oil. “We have agreed with the U.S. government to resume the repatriation of Venezuelan migrants with an initial flight tomorrow, Sunday,” said Jorge Rodríguez, president of Venezuela’s Assembly and Maduro’s chief negotiator with the U.S. Venezuela accepted the deal to guarantee the “the return of our compatriots to their nation with the safeguard of their Human Rights,” Rodríguez said.. https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-us-migration-deportation-flights-2e9b747437a1dd2edb15c28d08a31041
  • Gut bacteria and Parkinson’s

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    I’ve been taking biotin to help strengthen splitting fingernails. Results are uncertain for that, but it’s nice to know there may be other benefits.
  • Maintenance Announcement - 2025-03-22

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    The emoticon set seems to be null. I don’t see any emoticons at all. Is anyone else having the same issue? Edit: I closed my browser and re-opened it and the old emoticon set has appeared.
  • Where to donate?

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    I contribute through actblue.com. If actblue is not used I question why. My contributions go to candidates or the dccc via actblue. I get solicitations from organizations I have never heard of and wonder where the money is going.
  • Deep research

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  • Macy’s in Philly closes

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    @RealPlayer said in Macy’s in Philly closes: That’s sad. Department stores were conceived as grand spaces. Temples of consumerism perhaps. Pipe organs! Don't know if you've seen the series called Mr Selfridge on PBS. He started out at Marshall Field's and then opened his own iconic department store in London. Great story if you're into period dramas.
  • Daniel... Watch deja vu

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  • Fire at substation closes Heathrow

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    Sitting unaffected on my comfy sofa I can almost hear the words shouted angrily at the next BAA meeting... "Single point of failure?" Heathrow is rather like a large town employing 75,000 people, who facilitate thousands of daily visitors. It beggars belief that the busiest airport in Europe running 24-7 had, effectively, no backup generator.
  • Pentagon briefing on China for Musk

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    The leakers aren’t backing off. “I look forward to the prosecutions of those at the Pentagon who are leaking maliciously false information to NYT,” Musk wrote in his post. But Musk’s post is not having the chilling effect on leakers he’d intended, according to conversations with more than half a dozen government employees who had previously spoken to POLITICO. If anything, it might be the other way around. “We are public servants, not Elon’s servants,” said one Food and Drug Administration employee who, like all people interviewed for this story, was granted anonymity to speak candidly about internal dynamics. “The public deserves to know how dysfunctional, destructive, and deceptive all of this has been and continues to be.” “Leakers are patriots,” said one Agriculture Department employee. Helping the media report on problems or concerns inside agencies, the USDA employee added, is motivated by a desire for greater transparency — the same goal Musk has said undergirds his own work through DOGE. “If the Biden administration or Obama had acted like this, no one would have tolerated it,” the staffer said. “The Trump administration doesn’t get a pass.” https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/21/musk-leakers-government-trump-doge-00243208 The GOP loves whistleblowers. Will be interesting to watch their reaction to these folks.
  • USDA funding cuts

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  • Six North American train trips

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  • Destroying America's brand

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    The U.S. government is making it more difficult for Canadians to access the Stanstead, Que., library, an iconic building that straddles the border, according to town and library officials. The Haskell Free Library and Opera House, built in 1904, has been declared a heritage site in both countries and has long been considered a symbol of harmony between Canada and the U.S. The mayor of Stanstead, representatives from the library and local residents spoke out Friday against the U.S. government's decision to limit Canadians' access to the main entrance to the building. Jody Stone, Stanstead's mayor, said an agreement had been in place for more than a century to share access to the building. Stone, who grew up in the area, said the restrictions undermine the spirit of cross-border collaboration in the area. "We drink the same water, we share the same sewer plant," he said at a news conference near the library. "Without borders, you wouldn't even know we were two separate communities. Today's announcement makes no sense in my opinion." https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/us-border-canada-quebec-stanstead-library-1.7489528
  • Meanwhile, in Turkey

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  • Little Marco

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  • Joke thread

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  • It’s contagious

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    Is it theater? Is he trying to make a point? I hope so, because otherwise it’s not funny.
  • JFK files released

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  • Magat grandbabies with measles.

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    People don't actually die of measles. They generally die from pneumonia, which is a complication that can arise. Less common is measles -induced encephalitis, which can cause serious cognitive impairment, deafness, and death.