Replacing the range
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@ShiroKuro No. It has to get hot enough to emit fumes. Some studies have reported as low as 400F, some 500F. I'm not willing to take any chances. I often have my toaster oven at 450F.
@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
It has to get hot enough to emit fumes. Some studies have reported as low as 400F, some 500F. I'm not willing to take any chances. I often have my toaster oven at 450F.
Ahh, yeah, I can see why you wouldn't want to risk it!
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The magnet test fails on my KitchenAid cookware. I have a small saute and medium saucepan (calphalon and all-clad, respectively) that are magnetic. My stove top distiller attracts a magnet--and that's important because I rely on it for purifying water for my houseplants.
So why isn't someone making magnetized discs to place under regular cookware for use on an induction? Wouldn't this work, albeit with some loss of efficiency?
I am really leaning towards induction, I think I would hate regular electric burners.
KitchenAid has a 10-piece stainless induction set for around $550. Could be worse. The prices on the stoves go lower than I expected, some below $1000. I expect to pay $1500 or a bit more, plus new cookware. Yuck. Seems so much for a kitchen range.
We had a wood burning cook stove in our kitchen when I was growing up, but it was not the main cooking center. We used it for toast, pancakes, crepes, gallettes, slow cooking, etc. but rarely for baking. I don't think I'll be going that route.
The industrial revolution cheapened everything.
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Once you've used a gas hob you won't be happy with electric.
Get a decent induction range and some nice new pans to go with.
Very good friends just invested in a Bertazzoni; the quality is noticeable, stunning, wow.
The 100cm stainless steel pro which fit their kitchen gap cost £5500.00 (gulp).
And forget about testing your old steel pans with a magnet for compatibility. Unreliable method, they may, or not.
@AndyD After just having seen a La Cornue for $17K, that price is a little less shocking. But still out of my budget.
I have had good luck with LG. The refrigerator I bought many years ago still works a charm (knock on wood).
The industrial revolution cheapened everything.
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The magnet test fails on my KitchenAid cookware. I have a small saute and medium saucepan (calphalon and all-clad, respectively) that are magnetic. My stove top distiller attracts a magnet--and that's important because I rely on it for purifying water for my houseplants.
So why isn't someone making magnetized discs to place under regular cookware for use on an induction? Wouldn't this work, albeit with some loss of efficiency?
I am really leaning towards induction, I think I would hate regular electric burners.
KitchenAid has a 10-piece stainless induction set for around $550. Could be worse. The prices on the stoves go lower than I expected, some below $1000. I expect to pay $1500 or a bit more, plus new cookware. Yuck. Seems so much for a kitchen range.
We had a wood burning cook stove in our kitchen when I was growing up, but it was not the main cooking center. We used it for toast, pancakes, crepes, gallettes, slow cooking, etc. but rarely for baking. I don't think I'll be going that route.
@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
So why isn't someone making magnetized discs to place under regular cookware for use on an induction? Wouldn't this work, albeit with some loss of efficiency?
They do make adapters aka converter discs.
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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@AndyD After just having seen a La Cornue for $17K, that price is a little less shocking. But still out of my budget.
I have had good luck with LG. The refrigerator I bought many years ago still works a charm (knock on wood).
@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
After just having seen a La Cornue for $17K
Ha.
And there are even more expensive ones at that store:
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
So why isn't someone making magnetized discs to place under regular cookware for use on an induction? Wouldn't this work, albeit with some loss of efficiency?
They do make adapters aka converter discs.
@wtg Well, cool! They do exist.
I gotta say, though, I'm not convinced by the article as to why one shouldn't use them. The safety issue is not an issue for me, I've been cooking with an open flame my whole life (and electric stoves will burn too). Apart from that, the author makes a few obvious and nebulous statements. "Could impact performance", well yes, to be expected. "Potential to impact the electronics", that's so vague as to question the validity of his claim. More specifics are needed. "Aren't designed to be used with discs". Again, sounds like it was written by marketing. So what if they weren't designed that way. I would like to know the real negative impacts. I suspect if there were some real negative impacts, he would have written them.
What I would do--hypothetically, and probably--is get a new set of induction specific cookware and a disk so I could use the few vintage, special pieces that I don't want to let go of. They aren't used everyday.
The industrial revolution cheapened everything.
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@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
After just having seen a La Cornue for $17K
Ha.
And there are even more expensive ones at that store:
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@wtg Well, cool! They do exist.
I gotta say, though, I'm not convinced by the article as to why one shouldn't use them. The safety issue is not an issue for me, I've been cooking with an open flame my whole life (and electric stoves will burn too). Apart from that, the author makes a few obvious and nebulous statements. "Could impact performance", well yes, to be expected. "Potential to impact the electronics", that's so vague as to question the validity of his claim. More specifics are needed. "Aren't designed to be used with discs". Again, sounds like it was written by marketing. So what if they weren't designed that way. I would like to know the real negative impacts. I suspect if there were some real negative impacts, he would have written them.
What I would do--hypothetically, and probably--is get a new set of induction specific cookware and a disk so I could use the few vintage, special pieces that I don't want to let go of. They aren't used everyday.
I thought it was behind a paywall but it turns out the Consumer Reports article on adapters is available:
https://www.consumerreports.org/home-garden/cookware/best-induction-burner-adapters-a1907744659/
If there's something behind the paywall you would like to see, let me know. My library gives me free (well except for the taxes I pay) access to CR's website and I can see everything.
I second @steve-miller 's advice to find a counterop model and test it out. New they are less than a hundred bucks and you may be able to find a used one on craigslist. I paid something like $70 for the one I bought new and I sold it a couple of years later for $50 to some guy who wanted it for his garage or camping or some such. I had a Duxtop. I see NYT Wirecutter is still recommending that brand.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-portable-induction-cooktop/
Also Serious Eats:
https://www.seriouseats.com/best-portable-induction-cooktops-7377536
It's Black Friday. There may be some deals out there.
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And CR has an overview of induction cooktops and ranges.
I have had good luck with LG
An LG model is their top rated range unit.
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And CR has an overview of induction cooktops and ranges.
I have had good luck with LG
An LG model is their top rated range unit.
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@bernard My friend accidentally killed her boyfriend’s 20 year old parrot last year by baking with a nonstick pan. You are right to be very cautious.
@AdagioM Oh, how horrible. I know other real life stories. It's a real thing. My hair dresser back in NYC had a client who lost 2 cockatoos when he accidentally left the heat on under a non-stick fry pan. Many years ago, when I had parakeets, I lost half a dozen one evening due to a hot air popcorn popper, which I had just purchased that afternoon. Who would have thought it? There I was, on a kick to eat healthier snacks, and it never crossed my mind that PTFEs would be part of the heating cup? It didn't even register as a potential hazard--it was a freakin' popcorn maker. Oh what a horrible night that was. An hour or so after I'd made the popcorn, I heard a plop from the kitchen, where they were. Then another. And another. Agony. I was thankful to have a bottle of brandy in the house and I soused the pain heavily that night.
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@wtg Yes, I read the overview earlier this evening, but the ratings are all behind the paywall.
@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
@wtg Yes, I read the overview earlier this evening, but the ratings are all behind the paywall.
This link has their top three. I don't think there's a paywall.
https://www.consumerreports.org/appliances/ranges/the-best-induction-ranges-a8524766309/
You can sign up for a month's worth of digital access to CR for $10 if you want access to all the ratings. I did that in the past when we were making some purchase that I thought was worth getting the CR perspective on.
Then I figured out I can access it for free via the library.
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I’ve used induction in various Airbnbs and never noticed any noise. They’re common in Europe.
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I’ve used induction in various Airbnbs and never noticed any noise. They’re common in Europe.
After reading the Reddit page I realize that could be just because I’m old. I should ask the boy if he heard any.
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This vid isn’t very good but might be useful:
Link to videoMy takeaway is that I’ll no longer consider my beloved Whirlpools (hecho in Clyde, OH), and it’s time to look at GE and Frigidaire. I’ve seen the same info elsewhere.
