Replacing the range
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I never use the high heat cleaning setting on an oven. Damn things scare me.
FWIW, we have the steam clean feature on our built-in GE oven and it works very well. We aren’t messy bakers and rarely have any major spills, or if we do we wipe them up immediately. But sometimes we get fine splatters in the oven. The steam clean takes a cup of distilled water and 30 minutes. Once it turns off I just wipe the inside of the oven dry.
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@wtg It is something I always check. I've wanted to replace my toaster oven, but finding one teflon (and other FTFEs) free is not easy. The hardest part is determining whether or not they contain the stuff. Some postings on bird forums will point to certain manufacturers and that's helpful. But non-stick is so common now. It's one of those things I'll never understand.
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Speaking of Samsung, I haven't liked their phones of late. I find the screens to be glaring.
My instinct is not to trust their washers and dryers. They're large (read "Americanized" according to what they obviously think Americans expect).
I want a front loading washer (100%) but I want a Miele, Asko, or Bosch.
Asko is the one I learned about first and would like the most as far as I know.
Buying and owning Bosch used to be easy before Sears went out of business.
I haven't looked at any of them lately.
I'm not ruling any of them out except Samsung.
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I never use the high heat cleaning setting on an oven. Damn things scare me.
FWIW, we have the steam clean feature on our built-in GE oven and it works very well. We aren’t messy bakers and rarely have any major spills, or if we do we wipe them up immediately. But sometimes we get fine splatters in the oven. The steam clean takes a cup of distilled water and 30 minutes. Once it turns off I just wipe the inside of the oven dry.
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Once you've used a gas hob you won't be happy with electric.
Get a decent induction range and some nice new pans to go with.
Very good friends just invested in a Bertazzoni; the quality is noticeable, stunning, wow.
The 100cm stainless steel pro which fit their kitchen gap cost £5500.00 (gulp).
And forget about testing your old steel pans with a magnet for compatibility. Unreliable method, they may, or not.
Ventosa viri restabit
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For about $100 you can buy a countertop induction burner that plugs in to the wall. No doubt less on FB marketplace. Maybe try one and see if you like it.
Is your kitchen already wired for an electric range? The circuit for your propane range won’t be large enough so if it’s not you’ll need a new circuit and an electrician to install it. You may also need a larger electric service.
Upside of electrics, especially coil top electrics, is they’re dirt cheap used. The most I could get for the one I pulled out of Kim’s house was $100 and it looked like new.
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0f3JUjIba42mYC-HD8cWLV5qA
Avoid Samsung appliances like a bad habit.
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@ShiroKuro No. It has to get hot enough to emit fumes. Some studies have reported as low as 400F, some 500F. I'm not willing to take any chances. I often have my toaster oven at 450F.
@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
It has to get hot enough to emit fumes. Some studies have reported as low as 400F, some 500F. I'm not willing to take any chances. I often have my toaster oven at 450F.
Ahh, yeah, I can see why you wouldn't want to risk it!
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The magnet test fails on my KitchenAid cookware. I have a small saute and medium saucepan (calphalon and all-clad, respectively) that are magnetic. My stove top distiller attracts a magnet--and that's important because I rely on it for purifying water for my houseplants.
So why isn't someone making magnetized discs to place under regular cookware for use on an induction? Wouldn't this work, albeit with some loss of efficiency?
I am really leaning towards induction, I think I would hate regular electric burners.
KitchenAid has a 10-piece stainless induction set for around $550. Could be worse. The prices on the stoves go lower than I expected, some below $1000. I expect to pay $1500 or a bit more, plus new cookware. Yuck. Seems so much for a kitchen range.
We had a wood burning cook stove in our kitchen when I was growing up, but it was not the main cooking center. We used it for toast, pancakes, crepes, gallettes, slow cooking, etc. but rarely for baking. I don't think I'll be going that route.
The industrial revolution cheapened everything.
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Once you've used a gas hob you won't be happy with electric.
Get a decent induction range and some nice new pans to go with.
Very good friends just invested in a Bertazzoni; the quality is noticeable, stunning, wow.The 100cm stainless steel pro which fit their kitchen gap cost £5500.00 (gulp).
And forget about testing your old steel pans with a magnet for compatibility. Unreliable method, they may, or not.
@AndyD After just having seen a La Cornue for $17K, that price is a little less shocking. But still out of my budget.
I have had good luck with LG. The refrigerator I bought many years ago still works a charm (knock on wood).
The industrial revolution cheapened everything.
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The magnet test fails on my KitchenAid cookware. I have a small saute and medium saucepan (calphalon and all-clad, respectively) that are magnetic. My stove top distiller attracts a magnet--and that's important because I rely on it for purifying water for my houseplants.
So why isn't someone making magnetized discs to place under regular cookware for use on an induction? Wouldn't this work, albeit with some loss of efficiency?
I am really leaning towards induction, I think I would hate regular electric burners.
KitchenAid has a 10-piece stainless induction set for around $550. Could be worse. The prices on the stoves go lower than I expected, some below $1000. I expect to pay $1500 or a bit more, plus new cookware. Yuck. Seems so much for a kitchen range.
We had a wood burning cook stove in our kitchen when I was growing up, but it was not the main cooking center. We used it for toast, pancakes, crepes, gallettes, slow cooking, etc. but rarely for baking. I don't think I'll be going that route.
@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
So why isn't someone making magnetized discs to place under regular cookware for use on an induction? Wouldn't this work, albeit with some loss of efficiency?
They do make adapters aka converter discs.
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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@AndyD After just having seen a La Cornue for $17K, that price is a little less shocking. But still out of my budget.
I have had good luck with LG. The refrigerator I bought many years ago still works a charm (knock on wood).
@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
After just having seen a La Cornue for $17K
Ha.
And there are even more expensive ones at that store:
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
So why isn't someone making magnetized discs to place under regular cookware for use on an induction? Wouldn't this work, albeit with some loss of efficiency?
They do make adapters aka converter discs.
@wtg Well, cool! They do exist.
I gotta say, though, I'm not convinced by the article as to why one shouldn't use them. The safety issue is not an issue for me, I've been cooking with an open flame my whole life (and electric stoves will burn too). Apart from that, the author makes a few obvious and nebulous statements. "Could impact performance", well yes, to be expected. "Potential to impact the electronics", that's so vague as to question the validity of his claim. More specifics are needed. "Aren't designed to be used with discs". Again, sounds like it was written by marketing. So what if they weren't designed that way. I would like to know the real negative impacts. I suspect if there were some real negative impacts, he would have written them.
What I would do--hypothetically, and probably--is get a new set of induction specific cookware and a disk so I could use the few vintage, special pieces that I don't want to let go of. They aren't used everyday.
The industrial revolution cheapened everything.
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@Bernard said in Replacing the range:
After just having seen a La Cornue for $17K
Ha.
And there are even more expensive ones at that store:
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@wtg Well, cool! They do exist.
I gotta say, though, I'm not convinced by the article as to why one shouldn't use them. The safety issue is not an issue for me, I've been cooking with an open flame my whole life (and electric stoves will burn too). Apart from that, the author makes a few obvious and nebulous statements. "Could impact performance", well yes, to be expected. "Potential to impact the electronics", that's so vague as to question the validity of his claim. More specifics are needed. "Aren't designed to be used with discs". Again, sounds like it was written by marketing. So what if they weren't designed that way. I would like to know the real negative impacts. I suspect if there were some real negative impacts, he would have written them.
What I would do--hypothetically, and probably--is get a new set of induction specific cookware and a disk so I could use the few vintage, special pieces that I don't want to let go of. They aren't used everyday.
I thought it was behind a paywall but it turns out the Consumer Reports article on adapters is available:
https://www.consumerreports.org/home-garden/cookware/best-induction-burner-adapters-a1907744659/
If there's something behind the paywall you would like to see, let me know. My library gives me free (well except for the taxes I pay) access to CR's website and I can see everything.
I second @steve-miller 's advice to find a counterop model and test it out. New they are less than a hundred bucks and you may be able to find a used one on craigslist. I paid something like $70 for the one I bought new and I sold it a couple of years later for $50 to some guy who wanted it for his garage or camping or some such. I had a Duxtop. I see NYT Wirecutter is still recommending that brand.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-portable-induction-cooktop/
Also Serious Eats:
https://www.seriouseats.com/best-portable-induction-cooktops-7377536
It's Black Friday. There may be some deals out there.
