The lesson of 1933
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She's very fortunate to be privileged enough to up and leave. And her pontificating on people becoming "atomised" and not fighting back leaves a definite sour note. She is a hypocrite and coward. Good luck to her, watching from the sidelines. It's as bad as bone spurs.
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I can't agree with your condemnation, Bernard. She acknowledges that she may be cowardly or overreacting, but her fear is all too rational. As the saying goes, "Even paranoid people have real enemies." Her Jewish ancestry gives her even more cause for fear, given a few thousand years of history.
What would be even more frightening would be the situation that arose in Germany where even those who wanted to flee were, in many cases, unable to find a safe refuge to go to. So far, that is not the case.
Big Al
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Why does everything have to be so complicated, all in the name of convenience. -ShiroKuro
A lifetime of experience will change a person. If it doesn't, then you're already dead inside. -MarkJ
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I can't agree with your condemnation, Bernard. She acknowledges that she may be cowardly or overreacting, but her fear is all too rational. As the saying goes, "Even paranoid people have real enemies." Her Jewish ancestry gives her even more cause for fear, given a few thousand years of history.
What would be even more frightening would be the situation that arose in Germany where even those who wanted to flee were, in many cases, unable to find a safe refuge to go to. So far, that is not the case.
Big Al
but her fear is all too rational
And everyone's else's is not?
If she doesn't want to stay and fight with the rest of us--who by the way have as much to lose as she does, especially those of us who are gay--then she should shut up, unless she's willing to foot the bill for the millions who don't have the where with all to leave. She's gaining celebrity status from running away, that's the problem.
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but her fear is all too rational
And everyone's else's is not?
If she doesn't want to stay and fight with the rest of us--who by the way have as much to lose as she does, especially those of us who are gay--then she should shut up, unless she's willing to foot the bill for the millions who don't have the where with all to leave. She's gaining celebrity status from running away, that's the problem.
@Bernard said in The lesson of 1933:
but her fear is all too rational
And everyone's else's is not?
If she doesn't want to stay and fight with the rest of us--who by the way have as much to lose as she does, especially those of us who are gay--then she should shut up, unless she's willing to foot the bill for the millions who don't have the where with all to leave. She's gaining celebrity status from running away, that's the problem.
I don't agree with your assessment, but I can understand your opinion.
I don't think she has deliberately sought celebrity as much as had it come to her as an exemplifier of a potential choice.
The choice of flight or fight doesn't consider the other possibility of hunkering down and waiting for the storm to pass. Each person has those choices to make. Disrespecting other people's choices is at least a contributor to the mess we now find ourselves in.
Big Al
Money seems to buy the most happiness when you give it away.
Why does everything have to be so complicated, all in the name of convenience. -ShiroKuro
A lifetime of experience will change a person. If it doesn't, then you're already dead inside. -MarkJ
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I can't agree with your condemnation, Bernard. She acknowledges that she may be cowardly or overreacting, but her fear is all too rational. As the saying goes, "Even paranoid people have real enemies." Her Jewish ancestry gives her even more cause for fear, given a few thousand years of history.
What would be even more frightening would be the situation that arose in Germany where even those who wanted to flee were, in many cases, unable to find a safe refuge to go to. So far, that is not the case.
Big Al
@Big_Al said in The lesson of 1933:
even those who wanted to flee were, in many cases, unable to find a safe refuge to go to. So far, that is not the case.
Most people are not able to choose to just leave the country, relocate, and get automatically set up in a new job etc.
I totally get where @Bernard is coming from.
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@Bernard said in The lesson of 1933:
but her fear is all too rational
And everyone's else's is not?
If she doesn't want to stay and fight with the rest of us--who by the way have as much to lose as she does, especially those of us who are gay--then she should shut up, unless she's willing to foot the bill for the millions who don't have the where with all to leave. She's gaining celebrity status from running away, that's the problem.
I don't agree with your assessment, but I can understand your opinion.
I don't think she has deliberately sought celebrity as much as had it come to her as an exemplifier of a potential choice.
The choice of flight or fight doesn't consider the other possibility of hunkering down and waiting for the storm to pass. Each person has those choices to make. Disrespecting other people's choices is at least a contributor to the mess we now find ourselves in.
Big Al
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I'd be more sympathetic if she wasn't in every major publication giving interviews telling everyone what we already know. Where's the grace to say she doesn't have anything new to add? Does she really understand her privilege? It seems to me if she did, she be a lot more sensitive to the fact that most people don't have a choice. Talk about respect for choices. But she goes on and on in article after article bringing attention to the fact that she's not up to the fight--and with all that knowledge! I find it grossly insensitive and it really annoys me. I don't respect her choice to leave with so much noise and ado. I wouldn't have all that much respect even if she left quietly, and I know others who have. And yeah, I think they are cop outs. Good riddance. When things get tough, the tough get going. There is such a thing as valor.
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This is the part in the article that sets me off:
She also worries that instead of fighting back, “people become atomised. The arbitrariness of terror atomises people. You know, people put their heads down, they go quiet, they get in line, if only for the very reasonable, rational reason that any individual acting rationally has a reason to think that the personal cost of refusing to make a compromise is going to be greater than the social benefit of their one act of resistance. So you get a classic collective action problem.”
How dare she. She--the one who, instead of fighting back, leaves the country. Check your privilege, please!
