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    wtg
    wrote on 5 Feb 2025, 00:31 last edited by wtg 2 May 2025, 01:15
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    President Donald Trump said Tuesday he wants the U.S. to take ownership of the Gaza Strip and redevelop it after Palestinians are resettled elsewhere.

    “We will own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site,” Trump said a start of a joint news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Trump added the U.S. would level destroyed buildings and “create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.”

    The comments came after Trump earlier suggested that displaced Palestinians in Gaza be “permanently” resettled outside the war-torn territory.

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      AndyD
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      I heard him and it's like being inside his brain, the flow of conscious unedited thought.

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        CHAS
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        Yes, he can build a new, improved Atlantic City and make some more money.
        Haha

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          5 Feb 2025, 14:39

          I heard him and it's like being inside his brain, the flow of conscious unedited thought.

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          ShiroKuro
          wrote on 5 Feb 2025, 15:26 last edited by
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          @AndyD yep, that’s it exactly.

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            AndyD
            wrote on 5 Feb 2025, 16:50 last edited by
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            His bargaining methods, brinkmanship, are very watchable.
            You live in interesting times.

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              wtg
              wrote on 5 Feb 2025, 22:47 last edited by
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              He's walking back a lot of what he said.

              https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-official-says-trumps-remarks-about-taking-over-gaza-are-could-ignite-2025-02-05/

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                5 Feb 2025, 00:31

                President Donald Trump said Tuesday he wants the U.S. to take ownership of the Gaza Strip and redevelop it after Palestinians are resettled elsewhere.

                “We will own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site,” Trump said a start of a joint news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

                Trump added the U.S. would level destroyed buildings and “create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.”

                The comments came after Trump earlier suggested that displaced Palestinians in Gaza be “permanently” resettled outside the war-torn territory.

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                AdagioM
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                @wtg said in Gaza:

                President Donald Trump said Tuesday he wants the U.S. to take ownership of the Gaza Strip and redevelop it after Palestinians are resettled elsewhere.

                Trump added the U.S. would level destroyed buildings and “create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.”

                The people of the area, after removing the Palestinians? Yeah right. That will fly. Not.

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                  wtg
                  wrote on 6 Feb 2025, 14:01 last edited by wtg 2 Jun 2025, 14:47
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                  Not letting up.

                  U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday that Israel would hand over Gaza to the United States after fighting was over and the enclave's population was already resettled elsewhere, which he said meant no U.S. troops would be needed on the ground.

                  "The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting," he said. Palestinians "would have already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities, with new and modern homes, in the region."

                  "No soldiers by the U.S." would be needed!" he said.

                  Earlier Israel's Defence Minister said he had ordered the army to prepare a plan to allow residents who wished to leave to exit Gaza voluntarily.

                  "I welcome President Trump's bold plan, Gaza residents should be allowed the freedom to leave and emigrate, as is the norm around the world," Katz said on X.

                  Katz said his plan would include exit options via land crossings, as well as special arrangements for departure by sea and air.

                  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-defense-minister-orders-army-prepare-gaza-residents-departure-media-2025-02-06/

                  Apparently he cooked this whole Gaza plan up on his own and discussed it with only a small circle of people. Rubio heard about the idea for the first time while watching Trump's press conference with Bibi.

                  In related news, Arab Americans for Trump changed its name to Arab Americans for Peace. They are thanking him for the offer to clean up and rebuild Gaza but are not so keen on the "move Palestinians elsewhere" plan.

                  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-the-presidents-gaza-riviera-comments-pro-trump-arab-american-group-changes-its-name

                  Little by little, half the country figures out it's been had.....

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                    Steve Miller
                    wrote on 6 Feb 2025, 15:05 last edited by
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                    If you liked Afghanistan you’re gonna love Gaza…

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                      6 Feb 2025, 14:01

                      Not letting up.

                      U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday that Israel would hand over Gaza to the United States after fighting was over and the enclave's population was already resettled elsewhere, which he said meant no U.S. troops would be needed on the ground.

                      "The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting," he said. Palestinians "would have already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities, with new and modern homes, in the region."

                      "No soldiers by the U.S." would be needed!" he said.

                      Earlier Israel's Defence Minister said he had ordered the army to prepare a plan to allow residents who wished to leave to exit Gaza voluntarily.

                      "I welcome President Trump's bold plan, Gaza residents should be allowed the freedom to leave and emigrate, as is the norm around the world," Katz said on X.

                      Katz said his plan would include exit options via land crossings, as well as special arrangements for departure by sea and air.

                      https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-defense-minister-orders-army-prepare-gaza-residents-departure-media-2025-02-06/

                      Apparently he cooked this whole Gaza plan up on his own and discussed it with only a small circle of people. Rubio heard about the idea for the first time while watching Trump's press conference with Bibi.

                      In related news, Arab Americans for Trump changed its name to Arab Americans for Peace. They are thanking him for the offer to clean up and rebuild Gaza but are not so keen on the "move Palestinians elsewhere" plan.

                      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-the-presidents-gaza-riviera-comments-pro-trump-arab-american-group-changes-its-name

                      Little by little, half the country figures out it's been had.....

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                      wtg
                      wrote on 6 Feb 2025, 17:32 last edited by
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                      @wtg said in Gaza:

                      Apparently he cooked this whole Gaza plan up on his own and discussed it with only a small circle of people. Rubio heard about the idea for the first time while watching Trump's press conference with Bibi.

                      Maybe it was the first time Susie heard about it, too.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 6 Feb 2025, 21:06 last edited by
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                        Seems as good a thread as any for this.

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                          wtg
                          wrote on 6 Feb 2025, 22:40 last edited by
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                          Inside Trump’s Hastily Written Proposal to ‘Own’ Gaza

                          Although the president had been talking about the idea for weeks, there had been no meetings on the subject, and senior members of his government were taken by surprise.

                          When President Trump announced his proposal for the United States to take ownership of Gaza on Tuesday, he shocked even senior members of his own White House and government.

                          While his announcement looked formal and thought-out — he read the plan from a sheet of paper — his administration had not done even the most basic planning to examine the feasibility of the idea, according to four people with knowledge of the discussions, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

                          It wasn’t only the Americans who were scrambling; the announcement came as just as much of a surprise to Mr. Trump’s Israeli visitors. Soon before they walked out for their joint news conference on Tuesday, Mr. Trump surprised Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel by telling him he planned to announce the Gaza ownership idea, according to two people briefed on their interactions.

                          Inside the U.S. government, there had been no meetings with the State Department or Pentagon, as would normally occur for any serious foreign policy proposal, let alone one of such magnitude. There had been no working groups. The Defense Department had produced no estimates of the troop numbers required, or cost estimates, or even an outline of how it might work.

                          There was little beyond an idea inside the president’s head.

                          Unlike major foreign policy announcements with past presidents, including Mr. Trump, the notion of the United States controlling Gaza had never been part of a public discussion before Tuesday.

                          But privately, Mr. Trump had been talking about U.S. ownership of the enclave for weeks. And his thinking had accelerated, according to two administration officials, after his Middle East envoy, Steve Witkoff, returned from Gaza last week and described the horrific conditions there.

                          But nobody — not in the White House, not the Israelis — expected Mr. Trump to roll out the idea on Tuesday until shortly before he did so. The idea was met with immediate opposition from the Arab world, including from Saudi Arabia, a key U.S. ally. And in comments to reporters on Wednesday, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt tried to soften some of Mr. Trump’s statements.

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/05/us/politics/trump-gaza-takeover.html

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                            Piano*Dad
                            wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 01:41 last edited by
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                            44K in Michigan voted for Stein. 14K of them in Dearborn. They got their victory.

                            This statement has to be the understatement of the young century, from the founder of "Arabs for Trump."
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                            Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                              pique
                              wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 03:08 last edited by
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                              We lost Michigan because of the Palestinian activists there. F them.

                              fear is the thief of dreams

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                                Steve Miller
                                wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 05:51 last edited by Steve Miller 2 Jul 2025, 05:51
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                                Inside the U.S. government, there had been no meetings with the State Department or Pentagon, as would normally occur for any serious foreign policy proposal

                                Narrator: It was never a serious policy proposal.

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                                  wtg
                                  wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 17:27 last edited by wtg 2 Jul 2025, 18:29
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                                  Somebody thought it was. Probably still does.

                                  https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-man-with-the-plan-dc-prof-sent-trump-gaza-relocation-development-study-in-july/

                                  Here's the plan:

                                  https://ceesmena.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/An-Economic-Plan-for-Rebuilding-Gaza__A-BOT-Approach-_FINAL_July-21_2024.pdf

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                                    Steve Miller
                                    wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 20:02 last edited by Steve Miller 2 Jul 2025, 20:04
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                                    Just got back from the biggest junk shop I have ever seen. Crazy place - stacked to the rafters with all sorts of stuff - mostly trash. Bought a little marble bookend for $5. Pakistan, doncha know.

                                    Colorful proprietor was holding court with a couple of buddies, all geezing away about the crazy stuff Spanky did this week. Consensus was that Gaza was never going to happen and it’s all BS.

                                    All I could do was nod along.

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                                      7 Feb 2025, 01:41

                                      44K in Michigan voted for Stein. 14K of them in Dearborn. They got their victory.

                                      This statement has to be the understatement of the young century, from the founder of "Arabs for Trump."
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                                      wtg
                                      wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 21:35 last edited by
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                                      @Piano-Dad

                                      Little by little, the people who supported Trump will figure out they've been had.

                                      Donald Trump won Dearborn, Michigan, a traditionally Democratic Arab American enclave, thanks largely to outrage over Kamala Harris and the Biden administration’s stance on Israel.

                                      Some are starting to have regrets.

                                      After Trump unveiled a plan to “take over” Gaza and relocate nearly 2 million Palestinians to neighboring countries, two mayors in the region who had stumped for Trump have gone silent. And some Dearborn residents have been left horrified by the president’s attitude toward Palestinians.

                                      After Trump made his comments, people in Dearborn are responding “with extreme anger and disappointment with this president who lied to this community to steal some of their votes,” said Osama Siblani, editor of Dearborn’s Arab American News.

                                      Siblani, who declined to endorse in the presidential race, predicted that the proposal will “fail” and that Trump is “acting like a leader of a gangster group and not the most powerful nation in the world. Disgrace.”

                                      One leader in Dearborn, granted anonymity to speak candidly, described a sense of remorse among some in the Arab American community who voted for Trump or sat out the election but now “think we screwed up but we’re not going to admit it.”

                                      https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/06/trump-arab-americans-dearborn-michigan-00203018

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                                        CHAS
                                        wrote on 8 Feb 2025, 00:52 last edited by
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                                        Mar-a-Gaza seems a bit less likely now, but give the evil duo time.

                                        “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                                          AndyD
                                          wrote on 8 Feb 2025, 07:47 last edited by AndyD 2 Aug 2025, 07:48
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                                          Personally I think his thoughts of offering to temporarily move the population and rebuild the area are very generous, given what the Palestinian Authority terrorists did and are doing to Americans; and the terrorists openly say they will do it again.
                                          Kill, kidnap, execute.

                                          https://www.ajc.org/news/how-many-americans-have-been-killed-by-hamas-before-and-after-october-7

                                          I'd have demanded unconditional surrender of the Gazan terror regime. And have then proceeded to systematically flatten every Gazan building in a methodical search to free all of the international hostages.

                                          From what I gather watching Al-jazz propaganda and the Fench & BBC news channels, the terrorists will keep some hostages (for years) and in a month or so Israel will renew attempts to rescue them and secure the safety of its people.
                                          More of the same.

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