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Magat grandbabies with measles.

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  • wtgW Offline
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    I had exactly the same thought, @Steve-Miller . So I looked up how many people actually were hospitalized or died back when we were growing up.

    Before the vaccine was available in 1963, nearly every child got measles by age 15. The disease sickened 3 million to 4 million people and led to about 500 deaths and 48,000 hospitalizations every year.

    https://www.idsociety.org/public-health/measles/know-the-facts/#:~:text=The disease sickened 3 million,and 48%2C000 hospitalizations every year.&text=Due to a highly effective,a historic public health achievement.

    Relatively small percentage of deaths and hospitalizations when you look at the number of cases. Might be why we didn't know of kids who got really sick.

    I don't know why a quarter of the Texas kids have been hospitalized. The same link I found says that 1 in 5 cases are hospitalized, but I don't ever remember any kids in my classes or in my parents' social circle getting seriously ill. Just lucky, I guess?

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      @RealPlayer said in Magat grandbabies with measles.:

      @Rontuner said in Magat grandbabies with measles.:

      But will any of them know that there are other cases if Faux news doesn't tell them??

      Hopefully their local network news would report this. And hopefully they would at least watch their local TV news.

      I looked at the Texas state public health stats for exemptions. There are some schools where 40% of the students are unvaccinated. I doubt that news coverage would prompt those folks to get their kids vaccinated if there's an outbreak.

      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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        Bernard
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        Got to feel badly for the children.

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          jon-nyc
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          Yes they are the victims here.

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            Piano*Dad
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            Roald Dahl's letter about losing his daughter to measles in 1962 ...

            https://fs.blog/roald-dahl-letter-daughter/

            I had measles around the same time in 1962. I was more fortunate.

            Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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              I'm not sure exactly when I had measles. Definitely before the vaccine. Guessing late 1950s, early 1960s.

              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                We all had it. It was a right of passage through childhood, along with mumps and chicken pox.

                Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  I was born just late enough to have been vaccinated against it.

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                    Mary Anna
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                    I got the measles vaccine, and either it was already the combined MMR, or I got the rubella vaccine separately, because I never had either. By the time I was pregnant with my first, my immunity had waned, according to a routine rubella immunity test. It was too late to get revaccinated for that pregnancy, so I did that later. Then, to be admitted to grad school in 2012, I had to redo several of my shots and get some that hadn't been available to me as a kid.

                    I wonder if some portion of the collective memory that measles weren't such a big deal is that people are confusing actual measles, which our parents' generation called "red measles" with rubella, which they called "German measles."

                    I did have chicken pox and mumps. My older two got chicken pox just before the vaccine was available. Muffin never had them. None of them had mumps.

                    I know I'm not alone here in being so grateful that vaccines were available and we got them and were able to get them for our children. I feel so bad for the children who are suffering.

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                      @Mary-Anna I had measles, mumps, and chicken pox, but not German measles. The vaccine came out right around the time I hit puberty and I was vaccinated for rubella then.

                      I wonder if the lack of collective memory is because it was a long time ago (longer for some of us than others!), we were kids and kids aren't always aware of stuff like that, and also that serious illness with measles doesn't happen, relatively speaking, that often.

                      The tragedy is that the cases like Dahl's daughter are now preventable because the vaccine is available and it isn't being taken advantage of.

                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                        Bill Cassidy, the Republican US senator, has said his home state of Louisiana’s recent decision to cancel the promotion of mass vaccination against preventable diseases is a disservice to parents who want to keep their children healthy.

                        Nonetheless, before those remarks, the medical doctor-turned-politician who has clashed with Donald Trump joined 51 of his fellow Republicans in voting to confirm anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Robert F Kennedy Jr as secretary of the US’s health and human services department. Cassidy had also previously voted to advance Trump’s nomination of Kennedy as national health secretary from the committee level to the full Senate.

                        Louisiana, which Cassidy has represented in the Senate since 2015, made national headlines on Thursday when its surgeon general, Ralph Abraham, announced that the state’s health department would “no longer promote mass vaccination”. The directive meant the state government would immediately stop using media campaigns and health fairs to promote or distribute immunization vaccines that have long been proven to be safe and effective, saying it would essentially be up to each family to weigh “the risks and benefits” on their own.

                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/16/louisiana-vaccines-rfk-jr

                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                          Eff Cassidy. My vat of empathy for children in his state is quite empty.

                          Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            https://x.com/aaronblake/status/1894792427388498329?s=46

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                              First measles death in Texas. (that may be what jon's link says but I don't do X...)

                              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                Apparently the outbreak is centered in a Mennonite community that doesn’t believe in vaccines.

                                Thus explaining why there are so few Mennonite communities.

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                                  Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Wednesday said the nation’s major measles outbreak is “not unusual,” as a child who was not vaccinated died from the virus in West Texas.

                                  https://apnews.com/video/robert-f-kennedy-jr-describes-major-measles-outbreak-as-not-unusual-during-cabinet-meeting-da87118388624025bdc22192537dc107

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                                    I was vaxed as a kid, wonder if I need a booster…

                                    Mr SK got the MMR booster in 2008 as part of the process of getting a visa to come live in the U.S.

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                                      @ShiroKuro If you had the two shot series you are covered for life.

                                      Meanwhile, the CDC has cancelled two vaccine-related meetings in less than a week.

                                      https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-cancels-meeting-select-flu-strains-seasons-shots-rcna193931

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                                        I was just reading today that there’s concern adults vaccinated many years ago might become more at risk over time as antivaxx sentiment grows. It did say boosters might become necessary at some point but it went short of recommending them now. I’m not even sure how available they are.

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                                          I know there have been sporadic outbreaks of mumps in vaccinated college age kids. And that natural immunity is more long-lasting than vaccine-triggered immunity.

                                          https://www.science.org/content/article/why-so-many-college-students-are-coming-down-mumps

                                          How long do vaccines last?

                                          https://www.science.org/content/article/how-long-do-vaccines-last-surprising-answers-may-help-protect-people-longer

                                          If anyone is worried about their protection, there is an MMR titer you can have done.

                                          https://www.accesalabs.com/MMR-Titer

                                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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