Suffer, children. Suffer.
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First world problems
I've been thinking that over the last few days as I've watched the panic among TikTok users.
I can see how for some people this represents a huge loss of income. I heard an influencer this morning talking about how much money she makes from a video on TikTok vs an Instagram video. $2000 on TikTok and $3 on Instagram. Couldn't believe it.
I'd love to know what's in the TikTok algorithm and how it hooks people in to use the app. Somebody has created a brilliant way to suck people in, both content creators and viewers, and to keep them using the app.
As @jon-nyc has pointed out, if the app were primarily a moneymaker, ByteDance could have sold it. I wonder if they could have retained a royalty structure that let them share in future earnings while moving control of the data to a non-Chinese owner.
I'll add that we are at the mercy of US companies like Google, Meta, etc., who collect probably as much data about their users. Right now those companies are using that data to sell us more stuff. It's not a huge step to use it for other purposes.
Brave new world indeed.
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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Another shit argument if I may be blunt.
Why didn’t we let Joe Stalin build a television network in the US during the Cold War?
Walter Cronkite was in it for himself. Same as Uncle Joe. What’s the difference?
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Without naming Trump, Cotton, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and Trump ally, and Ricketts said on Sunday morning that "there's no legal basis" for an "extension" plan.
"Now that the law has taken effect, there's no legal basis for any kind of 'extension' of its effective date. For TikTok to come back online in the future, ByteDance must agree to a sale that satisfies the law's qualified-divestiture requirements by severing all ties between TikTok and Communist China. Only then will Americans be protected from the grave threat posed to their privacy and security by a communist-controlled TikTok," the two senators said in a statement posted to X, formerly Twitter.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tiktok-ban-tom-cotton-pete-ricketts-2017347
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First world problems
I've been thinking that over the last few days as I've watched the panic among TikTok users.
I can see how for some people this represents a huge loss of income. I heard an influencer this morning talking about how much money she makes from a video on TikTok vs an Instagram video. $2000 on TikTok and $3 on Instagram. Couldn't believe it.
I'd love to know what's in the TikTok algorithm and how it hooks people in to use the app. Somebody has created a brilliant way to suck people in, both content creators and viewers, and to keep them using the app.
As @jon-nyc has pointed out, if the app were primarily a moneymaker, ByteDance could have sold it. I wonder if they could have retained a royalty structure that let them share in future earnings while moving control of the data to a non-Chinese owner.
I'll add that we are at the mercy of US companies like Google, Meta, etc., who collect probably as much data about their users. Right now those companies are using that data to sell us more stuff. It's not a huge step to use it for other purposes.
Brave new world indeed.
@wtg said in Suffer, children. Suffer.:
$2000 on TikTok and $3 on Instagram.
Wow! I had no idea!!
@wtg said in Suffer, children. Suffer.:
I'd love to know what's in the TikTok algorithm and how it hooks people in to use the app.
I'm curious about this too, and about what makes TikTok different from Reels on FB, and other apps....
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@wtg said in Suffer, children. Suffer.:
@jon-nyc said in Suffer, children. Suffer.:
Another shit argument if I may be blunt.
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This one.
I'll add that we are at the mercy of US companies like Google, Meta, etc., who collect probably as much data about their users. Right now those companies are using that data to sell us more stuff. It's not a huge step to use it for other purposes.
Ken used it next door, and also said it was the people vs big tech and the JOOS.
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If you read my statement as an argument that TikTok should continue, then I didn't make my point clearly.
I have no idea what JOOS is.
I'm on the same page as Richard Clarke. There's a lot of data being collected, and it all boils down to who has access to it and what their motivation is for using it. We know that the CCP has access to data from their apps and that it will be used against us. I think requiring TikTok to divest from the CCP is a necessary first step. And along the lines of keeping Stalin from having a network in the US in the 50s.
Google and Meta make money by selling the data they collect to third parties who use it to sell us their crap. There have been battles in the past about the big tech guys giving up someone's data to legal authorities. With the way the tech bros are paying homage to TFG at Mar-a-Lago, I think there is a real risk that they'll cave and that wall will come down. Maybe that's the same argument Ken is making, and if so, I agree with him.
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Executive order coming tomorrow.
Executive > Legislative.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-executive-order-tiktok-us-rcna188313
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Jon's referencing that I've mentioned that the Israeli government has had issues with IDF soldiers posting videos of acts against Palestinians and Tik Tok is probably less influenced by pro-Israel media. This likely has contributed to survey data that a growing portion of American Jewish have a less favorable view of Israel's actions toward Palestinians. Because of concern for antisemitism and the need for strong US support of Israel, control of messaging is important to Israel and those in media and government who wish to ensure effective messaging. Unfettered social media is a danger to every nation's control of messaging. We need look no further than to our own country and its impact on recent elections.
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Ah, but they have.
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Executive order coming tomorrow.
Executive > Legislative.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-executive-order-tiktok-us-rcna188313
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@jon-nyc Technically, I don't think he can do it now but I doubt that will stop him. I don't see how the current situation meets the conditions for extension set out in the law. ByteDance hasn't even said they'd sell, have they? Much less have interested buyer(s) they're negotiating with.
And clearly he's not on the same page with Speaker Johnson, who says (this morning) that Trump will enforce the law.
Trump signed an executive order banning TikTok during his first term; it was overturned in the courts. Now incoming national security adviser Mike Waltz says that Trump wants to save TikTok because it was how Trump reached so many people during his campaign, but that he'll protect our data.
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I don't get a good feeling about this.
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I'm confused about how a presidential executive order can overturn an act of Congress that passed muster with the SCOTUS. In the not too distant past the entire Republican "establishment" would have screamed at 200 decibels if a "Democrat president" overturned legislation with a flick of a pen.
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PD the law allows the president to grant a one-time 90 stay if he believes a prospective sale is in the works. It doesn’t go into detail about any conditions that need to be satisfied so I am quite sure he can just do it.
But only once, and only for 90 days.
