Suffer, children. Suffer.
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@wtg said in Suffer, children. Suffer.:
@jon-nyc said in Suffer, children. Suffer.:
Another shit argument if I may be blunt.
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This one.
I'll add that we are at the mercy of US companies like Google, Meta, etc., who collect probably as much data about their users. Right now those companies are using that data to sell us more stuff. It's not a huge step to use it for other purposes.
Ken used it next door, and also said it was the people vs big tech and the JOOS.
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If you read my statement as an argument that TikTok should continue, then I didn't make my point clearly.
I have no idea what JOOS is.
I'm on the same page as Richard Clarke. There's a lot of data being collected, and it all boils down to who has access to it and what their motivation is for using it. We know that the CCP has access to data from their apps and that it will be used against us. I think requiring TikTok to divest from the CCP is a necessary first step. And along the lines of keeping Stalin from having a network in the US in the 50s.
Google and Meta make money by selling the data they collect to third parties who use it to sell us their crap. There have been battles in the past about the big tech guys giving up someone's data to legal authorities. With the way the tech bros are paying homage to TFG at Mar-a-Lago, I think there is a real risk that they'll cave and that wall will come down. Maybe that's the same argument Ken is making, and if so, I agree with him.
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Executive order coming tomorrow.
Executive > Legislative.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-executive-order-tiktok-us-rcna188313
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Jon's referencing that I've mentioned that the Israeli government has had issues with IDF soldiers posting videos of acts against Palestinians and Tik Tok is probably less influenced by pro-Israel media. This likely has contributed to survey data that a growing portion of American Jewish have a less favorable view of Israel's actions toward Palestinians. Because of concern for antisemitism and the need for strong US support of Israel, control of messaging is important to Israel and those in media and government who wish to ensure effective messaging. Unfettered social media is a danger to every nation's control of messaging. We need look no further than to our own country and its impact on recent elections.
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Ah, but they have.
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Executive order coming tomorrow.
Executive > Legislative.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-executive-order-tiktok-us-rcna188313
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@jon-nyc Technically, I don't think he can do it now but I doubt that will stop him. I don't see how the current situation meets the conditions for extension set out in the law. ByteDance hasn't even said they'd sell, have they? Much less have interested buyer(s) they're negotiating with.
And clearly he's not on the same page with Speaker Johnson, who says (this morning) that Trump will enforce the law.
Trump signed an executive order banning TikTok during his first term; it was overturned in the courts. Now incoming national security adviser Mike Waltz says that Trump wants to save TikTok because it was how Trump reached so many people during his campaign, but that he'll protect our data.
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I don't get a good feeling about this.
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I'm confused about how a presidential executive order can overturn an act of Congress that passed muster with the SCOTUS. In the not too distant past the entire Republican "establishment" would have screamed at 200 decibels if a "Democrat president" overturned legislation with a flick of a pen.
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PD the law allows the president to grant a one-time 90 stay if he believes a prospective sale is in the works. It doesn’t go into detail about any conditions that need to be satisfied so I am quite sure he can just do it.
But only once, and only for 90 days.
