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This can’t be true.

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    Steve Miller
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    Somebody explain to me how this isn’t true - please!

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/politics/joe-biden-commutations-pennsylvania-illinois/index.html

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      ShiroKuro
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      Oh good grief. Why?

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        Mik
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        Nope. It’s true.

        “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
        ― Douglas Adams

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          Steve Miller
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          Jesus.

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            Mik
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            Klobuchar was just on Face The Nation throwing Biden under the bus on all his pardons, including Hunter.

            “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
            ― Douglas Adams

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              CHAS
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              Dementia?

              “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                Dementia?

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                ShiroKuro
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                @CHAS said in This can’t be true.:

                Dementia?

                It occurred to me that he may have felt like, since he pardoned Hunter, he needed to pardon a whole bunch more?? Like a weird guilt thing?

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                  Mik
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                  I don't think Joe is big on guilt.

                  “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                  ― Douglas Adams

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                    Steve Miller
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                    Sadly enough, it appears to be an accident. Nobody vetted the list.

                    Inexcusable.

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                      Sadly enough, it appears to be an accident. Nobody vetted the list.

                      Inexcusable.

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                      ShiroKuro
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                      @Steve-Miller said in This can’t be true.:

                      Sadly enough, it appears to be an accident. Nobody vetted the list.

                      Inexcusable.

                      Exactly, it is inexcusable.

                      And so, so stupid. 😠

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                        kluurs
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                        Stupid is a good explanation. The pardons provide cover for Trump. Whatever Trump does with pardons can now be partially justified by Biden's actions. It will be interesting to read some of tell-all stories that come out after Biden leaves office. Both parties need a new generation of leaders - maybe even skip a generation.

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                          It's worse than stupid. It's careless.

                          “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                          ― Douglas Adams

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                            wtg
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                            Whatever Trump does with pardons can now be partially justified by Biden's actions.

                            I think we have to get out of this lowering of standards mentality, the "the other guy did it, so we can do it too" frame of mind. Neither side has had a particularly good track record for taking the moral high ground, but yes I agree, Teh Donald doesn't need any encouragement. He's as unrestrained as anyone.

                            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                              wtg
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                              As for the pardon debacle...hard to believe it happened. I'm deeply disappointed. And frustrated.

                              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                Whatever Trump does with pardons can now be partially justified by Biden's actions.

                                I think we have to get out of this lowering of standards mentality, the "the other guy did it, so we can do it too" frame of mind. Neither side has had a particularly good track record for taking the moral high ground, but yes I agree, Teh Donald doesn't need any encouragement. He's as unrestrained as anyone.

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                                @wtg said in This can’t be true.:

                                Whatever Trump does with pardons can now be partially justified by Biden's actions.

                                I think we have to get out of this lowering of standards mentality, the "the other guy did it, so we can do it too" frame of mind. Neither side has had a particularly good track record for taking the moral high ground, but yes I agree, Teh Donald doesn't need any encouragement. He's as unrestrained as anyone.

                                Yes. Sooner or later someone has the be the adult in the room.

                                “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                                ― Douglas Adams

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                                  Whatever Trump does with pardons can now be partially justified by Biden's actions.

                                  I think we have to get out of this lowering of standards mentality, the "the other guy did it, so we can do it too" frame of mind. Neither side has had a particularly good track record for taking the moral high ground, but yes I agree, Teh Donald doesn't need any encouragement. He's as unrestrained as anyone.

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                                  ShiroKuro
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                                  @wtg said in This can’t be true.:

                                  I think we have to get out of this lowering of standards mentality, the "the other guy did it, so we can do it too" frame of mind

                                  I agree with you 100%.

                                  I just don't think anyone in the right position has the stomach to make it happen. 😕

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                                    Fetterman's looking promising there. He seems unafraid to say the emperor is naked. The irony is not lost given his sartorial splendor.

                                    “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                                    ― Douglas Adams

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