Reports from the heartland
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Wait, is that what you think should be done, or what he has said he would do?
Re Ukraine...sounds like what we're doing now. The only thing I've heard Trump say about Ukraine was that he could settle the dispute in 24 hours. I've heard no other details. My own take is that settling the dispute means giving Putin whatever he wants.
Tariffs... He has some specific proposals for increasing them. I thought they were day 1 issues for him, at least regarding China. That is, "as needed" is "now".
I guess my question is, how much did the tariffs, imposed by Trump and kept by Biden, impact prices/inflation? And if the tariffs are increased in a second Trump administration, will prices go up further and faster than if we stayed at the same level or backed off of them?
The economy/prices seemed to be part of Trump's appeal to the average voter. Will they get what they were looking for if his policies are implemented?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-suppliers-importers-prepare-promised-trump-tariffs-2024-11-06/
And about Israel...yea, he and Bibi have had some blips but he'll do whatever Bibi wants. Unless the Saudis don't like it...
The ME quagmire isn't going away soon.
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“Some of my Ancestors dealt with at least 400 years of this under worse conditions.”
Seems like an odd comparison.
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"And if the tariffs are increased, will prices go up further, and faster than if we stayed at the same level or backed off of them?"
That's what happened the last time he imposed tariffs. I don't expect this time to be any different.
If you're considering buying a new appliance, electronic gear, or anything else made in China you may want to buy it before the end of the year. The same is true for American made products that compete with Chinese products, as the price of the American product will go up to match the price of the Chinese made product.
Items that come from Mexico are a bit more problematic. One tariff rate that he's proposed is 100% but you can only store so many avocados for so long.
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Prepare for higher interest rates as well:
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@Steve-Miller said in Reports from the heartland:
If you're considering buying an new appliance...made in China
Mr wtg and I were just talking about this. Our washer and dryer are getting up there in years...
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One of my daughters is holidaying in Japan, happily reporting that Trump winning has improved her Sterling-Yen exchange rate.
I do wonder if, 30-40 years from now, people will be writing half hour sitcoms with amusing songs about our times.
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@Mik Yup. They are stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. If that makes you want to call me an "elitist" go right ahead. Trump is a dumpster fire. To vote for him because you disagree with Biden's policies is the height of idiocy. We can ride out another four years of Biden=style policies. With Trump in the office, there may never be another election. Our country may never survive a second Trump term. Basically what Trump voters did is hand the USA over to the oligarchs. They own us now. We are fvcked. It was stupid to think we wouldn't be.
fear is the thief of dreams
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My take. ALL of what he does (that we can see) is a distraction, meant to make liberal heads explode while the grifting resumes to move public money into private hands of his family and friends here and overseas. Bankrupting America should be the theme... Collateral damage doesn't matter, I don't think he really cares about immigration, the bible, tariffs or any of the hot button issues...
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@Rontuner said in Reports from the heartland:
I don't think he really cares about immigration, the bible, tariffs or any of the hot button issues...
Maybe not, but people around him do care about those things, and they will push their agenda through him...
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I think @Rontuner and @ShiroKuro hit the nail on the head. DJT is in it for the money. And the glory - he thrives on adoration.
Which makes him a useful idiot for the Steve Bannons and Vladimir Putins of the world.
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And don't forget also to stay out of prison. Luckiest grifter that ever lived.
fear is the thief of dreams
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@pique said in Reports from the heartland:
@Mik Yup. They are stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. If that makes you want to call me an "elitist" go right ahead. Trump is a dumpster fire. To vote for him because you disagree with Biden's policies is the height of idiocy. We can ride out another four years of Biden=style policies. With Trump in the office, there may never be another election. Our country may never survive a second Trump term. Basically what Trump voters did is hand the USA over to the oligarchs. They own us now. We are fvcked. It was stupid to think we wouldn't be.
You’re your very own monster - exactly what led to Trump’s rise.
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@Mik said in Reports from the heartland:
You’re your very own monster - exactly what led to Trump’s rise.
Nah, it’s the people who support or vote for Trump that led to Trump’s rise.
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You’re your very own monster - exactly what led to Trump’s rise..
That statement saddens me deeply. As does calling people stupid because they voted for Trump.
Trump has always been for Trump, and he has been ruthlessly effective at getting what he wants, no matter what the cost is to others. It may well be true that there was discontent simmering among Americans, but Trump took that discontent and amplified it and pitted us against each other for his own gain for the last eight years or more. Some people got angry and others were appalled. But nearly the whole country fell for it and we've been fighting each other for years.
Trump is pure genius. And pure evil.
Think about what Jimmy Carter did with his life after he lost in 1980, and contrast that with what Trump has done with his since 2020. Speaks volumes about how one person can influence the world.
We need to find our inner Jimmy and leave Donald in the dust.
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Smerconish did a lengthy intro to his show today. Much to consider in what he says....8 min video...
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@wtg said in Reports from the heartland:
You’re your very own monster - exactly what led to Trump’s rise..
That statement saddens me deeply. As does calling people stupid because they voted for Trump.
Trump has always been for Trump, and he has been ruthlessly effective at getting what he wants, no matter what the cost is to others. It may well be true that there was discontent simmering among Americans, but Trump took that discontent and amplified it and pitted us against each other for his own gain for the last eight years or more. Some people got angry and others were appalled. But nearly the whole country fell for it and we've been fighting each other for years.
Trump is pure genius. And pure evil.
Think about what Jimmy Carter did with his life after he lost in 1980, and contrast that with what Trump has done with his since 2020. Speaks volumes about how one person can influence the world.
We need to find our inner Jimmy and leave Donald in the dust.
Think about how Dems continued to pursue and try to prosecute him. They were running downballot races on the promise to find something, anything, to charge him with. As I said, creating your own monster. Voters saw that and did not like it.
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Totally ridiculous, Mik. The man is a criminal and deserves to be prosecuted. No one is above the law. It wasn't "Dems," it was the law. The law didn't need to look for "anything" to charge him with. He committed these crimes. He is a monster, we didn't create him. The voters who think he was being persecuted are as deranged as he is.
Look, I have close friends, people I love, who believe in Trump and who voted for him. Their stupidity is strictly relegated to this one arena. They are good people, or they wouldn't be my friends. We have agreed to not discuss this, because we mean too much to each other to let politics destroy our friendship. But there is no question in my mind that when it comes to Trump, they have been brainwashed. They do not have a useful message to send to America. They are in thrall to a pit of lies. This is a case of mass hypnosis. And all of us are about to pay the price.
I am curious what these people will say when prices go even higher, because of Trump's tariffs. When they can't build houses or harvest crops because of Trump's deportation policy. When the insanely wealthy just get richer and richer, the voters just get poorer and poorer, and we no longer have clean water or clean air, and when they can't get health care any more. When their parents have to move in with them because there is no more Social Security. Or the elderly have to take the slave wage jobs the illegal immigrants are no longer there to take. What will Trump's voters say then?
Probably whatever idea Putin puts in their head.
I find it disgusting that you find anything to defend about their vote.
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Listening to the talking heads on tv, radio, podcasts, you'd think they'd ask one simple question: If the electorate went for Trump because the cost of living went up in the wake of Covid, what made voters think that Trump would make it any better? Really, at least Kamala Harris addressed the issues and had concrete plans to address inflation and housing scarcity. If these were really the issues that motivated the Trump vote, I'd really like the pundits to be asking this question: what exactly did Trump offer that led voters to believe that his policies would make them better off? Because as far as I can see, Trump's declared "policies" will only make their troubles far, far worse. And for voters to not see that indeed makes them stupid.
fear is the thief of dreams
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I'm sure you do. There's plenty of derangement to go around.
Again, the inability to respect or see value in anyone's perspective but one's own is precisely what created the opportunity for Trump to rise.
