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    jon-nyc
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    #5

    Whatever. My point isn’t about the timing it’s about why it’s necessary to physically protect pedestrian streets in Europe and it isn’t because the jehovas witnesses or the Hasidic Jews will indiscriminately kill scores of civilians while screaming an ecstatic religious battle cry.

    I get that we’re supposed to pretend it isn’t an especial issue with one particular group but the data don’t support that and they tried to kill me and were almost successful so I refuse to go along.

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    • MikM
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      Mik
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      With you on that.

      “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
      ― Douglas Adams

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      • wtgW wtg

        There are all kinds of bollards and other barriers that were installed as part of the project to make Oxford Street car-free.

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        Lord Khan’s pedestrianisation of Oxford Street “discriminates” against wheelchair users and the visually impaired, disability campaigners have said.

        The scheme was described as “shockingly bad” and discriminatory because it restricts access to the street.

        Campaigners criticised inconveniently placed benches and bollards, and ramps that were “painful” to mount. They added that shops were also more difficult to access now that there was no direct public transport.

        https://www.aol.com/articles/khan-oxford-street-makeover-discriminates-172332000.html

        This isn't a "Christmas market" thing. The plan to close off Oxford Street has been in the works for a long time. They did rush to get it in before Christmas to maximize foot traffic to businesses during the holiday shopping season.

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        Daniel
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        @wtg said:

        There are all kinds of bollards and other barriers that were installed as part of the project to make Oxford Street car-free.

        alt text

        Lord Khan’s pedestrianisation of Oxford Street “discriminates” against wheelchair users and the visually impaired, disability campaigners have said.

        The scheme was described as “shockingly bad” and discriminatory because it restricts access to the street.

        Campaigners criticised inconveniently placed benches and bollards, and ramps that were “painful” to mount. They added that shops were also more difficult to access now that there was no direct public transport.

        https://www.aol.com/articles/khan-oxford-street-makeover-discriminates-172332000.html

        This isn't a "Christmas market" thing. The plan to close off Oxford Street has been in the works for a long time. They did rush to get it in before Christmas to maximize foot traffic to businesses during the holiday shopping season.

        Everyone's a critic.

        'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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          Daniel
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          @jon-nyc I'm not sure who "they" are or why they tried to kill you (not something you read on a forum every day), but it seems to me, in terms of world religions, comparative religion, it's just one organized religion among many. What if we attributed the violence Christians have done in history (nothing short of barbarism and savagery) with Christianity as a religion? Well, speaking for myself, I am a Christian, and I wouldn't let anyone put these deeds on me for one complete second.

          'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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            jon-nyc
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            I just did a bit of research and the 20 worst vehicle ramming attacks in Europe have killed 173 people.

            Followers of Islam were responsible for 80% of them.

            They are 5-6% of the European population.

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              jon-nyc
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              #10

              Daniel - I was registered for and was supposed to be at the Risk Waters conference at Windows of the World on September 11th and 12th, 2001. I was going to be late which is why you and I had the chance to meet here.

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              • wtgW
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                wtg
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                I get your Islamophobia, @jon-nyc . Far be it from me to stand in your way. Carry on. But I think this sort of stuff goes over much better next door than here.

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                • J jon-nyc

                  I just did a bit of research and the 20 worst vehicle ramming attacks in Europe have killed 173 people.

                  Followers of Islam were responsible for 80% of them.

                  They are 5-6% of the European population.

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                  Bernard
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                  @jon-nyc said:

                  Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.

                  Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.

                  Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.

                  Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.

                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @wtg

                    Phobias are for spiders.

                    The term ‘Islamophobia’ is, at best, a category error. Islam is a set of ideas. A memetic complex. One can object, even strenuously, to ideas without being a bigot.

                    Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

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                      @wtg

                      Phobias are for spiders.

                      The term ‘Islamophobia’ is, at best, a category error. Islam is a set of ideas. A memetic complex. One can object, even strenuously, to ideas without being a bigot.

                      Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

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                      Bernard
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                      @jon-nyc said:

                      Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

                      I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.

                      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                      • wtgW
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                        wtg
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                        #15

                        @jon-nyc You'll need to find someone else to argue with. I am not your new Horace.

                        I'm done in this thread.

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                        • B Bernard

                          @jon-nyc said:

                          Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

                          I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          @Bernard said:

                          @jon-nyc said:

                          Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

                          I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.

                          Christophobia doesn’t have a Wikipedia entry and my iPhone spell check flags it as not a word. I am not arguing that it’s never been written or uttered. But is isn’t in our collective consciousness.

                          Antisemitism is about Jews (a people), not Judaism (as a set of ideas). In fact antisemitism is more typically aimed at secular Jews rather than the religious set.

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                          • B Bernard

                            @jon-nyc said:

                            Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.

                            Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.

                            Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.

                            Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            @Bernard said:

                            @jon-nyc said:

                            Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.

                            Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.

                            Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.

                            Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.

                            Yes. Whose prevalence in a certain group is multiple orders of magnitude higher than terrorist prevalence in other groups.

                            That is my point. And it’s not because they’re bad people. It’s because they inherited a set of horrible beliefs that deserve our criticism.

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                            • wtgW wtg

                              @jon-nyc You'll need to find someone else to argue with. I am not your new Horace.

                              I'm done in this thread.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #18

                              @wtg said:

                              @jon-nyc You'll need to find someone else to argue with. I am not your new Horace.

                              Indeed. You are far more sunny and pleasant than my friend Horace.

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