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    jon-nyc
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    I just did a bit of research and the 20 worst vehicle ramming attacks in Europe have killed 173 people.

    Followers of Islam were responsible for 80% of them.

    They are 5-6% of the European population.

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      jon-nyc
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      #10

      Daniel - I was registered for and was supposed to be at the Risk Waters conference at Windows of the World on September 11th and 12th, 2001. I was going to be late which is why you and I had the chance to meet here.

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        wtg
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        I get your Islamophobia, @jon-nyc . Far be it from me to stand in your way. Carry on. But I think this sort of stuff goes over much better next door than here.

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          I just did a bit of research and the 20 worst vehicle ramming attacks in Europe have killed 173 people.

          Followers of Islam were responsible for 80% of them.

          They are 5-6% of the European population.

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          Bernard
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          @jon-nyc said:

          Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.

          Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.

          Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.

          Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.

          The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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            jon-nyc
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            @wtg

            Phobias are for spiders.

            The term ‘Islamophobia’ is, at best, a category error. Islam is a set of ideas. A memetic complex. One can object, even strenuously, to ideas without being a bigot.

            Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

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              @wtg

              Phobias are for spiders.

              The term ‘Islamophobia’ is, at best, a category error. Islam is a set of ideas. A memetic complex. One can object, even strenuously, to ideas without being a bigot.

              Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

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              Bernard
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              @jon-nyc said:

              Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

              I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.

              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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              • wtgW
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                wtg
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                @jon-nyc You'll need to find someone else to argue with. I am not your new Horace.

                I'm done in this thread.

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                  @jon-nyc said:

                  Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

                  I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  @Bernard said:

                  @jon-nyc said:

                  Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible

                  I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.

                  Christophobia doesn’t have a Wikipedia entry and my iPhone spell check flags it as not a word. I am not arguing that it’s never been written or uttered. But is isn’t in our collective consciousness.

                  Antisemitism is about Jews (a people), not Judaism (as a set of ideas). In fact antisemitism is more typically aimed at secular Jews rather than the religious set.

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                    @jon-nyc said:

                    Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.

                    Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.

                    Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.

                    Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @Bernard said:

                    @jon-nyc said:

                    Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.

                    Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.

                    Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.

                    Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.

                    Yes. Whose prevalence in a certain group is multiple orders of magnitude higher than terrorist prevalence in other groups.

                    That is my point. And it’s not because they’re bad people. It’s because they inherited a set of horrible beliefs that deserve our criticism.

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                      @jon-nyc You'll need to find someone else to argue with. I am not your new Horace.

                      I'm done in this thread.

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                      jon-nyc
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                      @wtg said:

                      @jon-nyc You'll need to find someone else to argue with. I am not your new Horace.

                      Indeed. You are far more sunny and pleasant than my friend Horace.

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