Allahu Akbarriers
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I just did a bit of research and the 20 worst vehicle ramming attacks in Europe have killed 173 people.
Followers of Islam were responsible for 80% of them.
They are 5-6% of the European population.
Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.
Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.
Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.
Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.
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Phobias are for spiders.
The term ‘Islamophobia’ is, at best, a category error. Islam is a set of ideas. A memetic complex. One can object, even strenuously, to ideas without being a bigot.
Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible
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Phobias are for spiders.
The term ‘Islamophobia’ is, at best, a category error. Islam is a set of ideas. A memetic complex. One can object, even strenuously, to ideas without being a bigot.
Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible
Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible
I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.
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Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible
I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.
Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible
I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.
Christophobia doesn’t have a Wikipedia entry and my iPhone spell check flags it as not a word. I am not arguing that it’s never been written or uttered. But is isn’t in our collective consciousness.
Antisemitism is about Jews (a people), not Judaism (as a set of ideas). In fact antisemitism is more typically aimed at secular Jews rather than the religious set.
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Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.
Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.
Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.
Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.
Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.
Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.
Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.
Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.
Yes. Whose prevalence in a certain group is multiple orders of magnitude higher than terrorist prevalence in other groups.
That is my point. And it’s not because they’re bad people. It’s because they inherited a set of horrible beliefs that deserve our criticism.
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@jon-nyc You'll need to find someone else to argue with. I am not your new Horace.
I'm done in this thread.
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Ever notice that the terms ‘christianophobia’ or ‘judeophobia’ not only don’t exist, but they’re unintelligible
I hate to be the one to put a hole through this defense but 'christophobia' is a definitely a real term and I've heard it used thoughout my adult life. And then there's anti-semitism.
Christophobia doesn’t have a Wikipedia entry and my iPhone spell check flags it as not a word. I am not arguing that it’s never been written or uttered. But is isn’t in our collective consciousness.
Antisemitism is about Jews (a people), not Judaism (as a set of ideas). In fact antisemitism is more typically aimed at secular Jews rather than the religious set.
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Muslims were responsible for 80% of them.
Muslim extremists were responsible for 80% of them.
Muslims in (dare I say 'all'?) Islamic countries denounce extremism and terrorism in the name of Islam. This so from leaders to scholars.
Let's be clear what we're talking about. An extreme, fringe group of terrorists.
Yes. Whose prevalence in a certain group is multiple orders of magnitude higher than terrorist prevalence in other groups.
That is my point. And it’s not because they’re bad people. It’s because they inherited a set of horrible beliefs that deserve our criticism.
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@jon-nyc Christophobia appears in all the major dictionaries. The fact that you are traversing semantic diversions to justify your blanket disdain of a large group of people raises question about your intentions with this thread. It sounds like bigotry.
@jon-nyc Christophobia appears in all the major dictionaries. The fact that you are traversing semantic diversions to justify your blanket disdain of a large group of people raises question about your intentions with this thread. It sounds like bigotry.
You’re missing the key point. My beef isn’t with a people, it’s with a set of ideas.
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"Anti-Semitism" is a deliberately formulated propagandistic term. Citation upon request.
The first recorded use was by a Jew in 1860 but the term was popularized two decades later by German agitator Wilhelm Marr who founded the ‘league of antisemites’.
I agree it was for propaganda purposes. At the time Judenhass sounded religious and crude while ‘antisemitism’ sounded modern and scientific. Again, in that moment. But that was a time when scientists regularly classified and characterized differences in races and it was considered science.
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For the record, I'm glad you're here.
And why should I not share this now.
You're the only reason I'm here.
I mean still posting.
A long time ago (a long time ago and I don't remember the details), I had a disagreement (ok,now I remember the details but discretion forbids revisit in public) and it was the one and only time I was in fact going to walk away over a disagreement from my first day at TNCR until this day.
You told me "I think the forum is a better place with you here" and that was what changed my mind.
I'd miss the forum (and the hobby) as well as the fact I'd be bereft if I had excommunicated myself with this group who "speak my language."
So I have since held an abiding appreciation for your posts here.
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@jon-nyc Christophobia appears in all the major dictionaries. The fact that you are traversing semantic diversions to justify your blanket disdain of a large group of people raises question about your intentions with this thread. It sounds like bigotry.
You’re missing the key point. My beef isn’t with a people, it’s with a set of ideas.
@jon-nyc Well there is nothing worse in Islam (the religion of peace as you say) than in Christianity and especially Judaism. The old testament is full of violence and an angry, malevolent god. At least Christianity starts with the "new" or 11th commandment.
The bottom line is they are all Abrahamic religions. People bring themselves to religion. Those that want to find peace and inspiration for a better life in their religious books will find it. Those that want to find justification for hatred and war will find it. No set of religious ideas is exempt from this.
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On the subject, Lewis Black's take on the old and new testaments are well worth a listen...
Link to video
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