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Knee pain? Just walk it off.

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  • S Steve Miller

    SK, have you considered seeing a podiatrist? I finally did and he solved a lot of problems in one visit.

    In my case all it took was the right pair of $65 insoles and a shoe stretcher gadget from Amazon.

    ShiroKuroS
    ShiroKuroS
    ShiroKuro
    wrote last edited by ShiroKuro
    #21

    @Steve-Miller said:

    SK, have you considered seeing a podiatrist? I finally did and he solved a lot of problems in one visit.

    I didn't mention much because I didn't want to take over @axtremus 's thread (and the problem that shapes my shoe-needs isn't knees)...

    But long story short, I have ongoing problems with my knees and feet and I'm a regular at two podiatrist's offices and an orthopedist's office. And I'm a regular at PT as well.

    Some of the problems, I've been able to get under control, like plantar fasciitis, which I no longer have, yay! And I had fracture in my heel bone in 2025 which has healed. But the other problems I have are intractable.

    I have a bone deformity in my right heel, close to where the achilles tendon attaches to the heel bone. That has caused chronic achilles tendinopathy (and bursitis all over the area there, but the bursitis is semi under control at the moment). My last MRI showed that there's a 5 mm interstitial tear in my achilles as well, but it's vertical and interstitial, so I'm still ambulatory. The docs say the tear is most likely because I have an enthesophyte in that spot (achilles insertion point), an enthesophyte is a kind of bone spur (that pokes up vertically at the back of the heel, not underfoot) and that bone spur is like a thorn that rubs against the achilles, preventing it from healing and possibly worsening the existing damage.

    All three docs have told me that I'm not going to heal without surgery, although one of them sees me walking and says at minimum, I can wait on the surgery as long as I have the mobility that I have right now. The other podiatrist (who's also a foot surgeon) is more pessimistic and sort of pushing me to do the surgery.

    But this is open surgery, with a prolonged period of non-weight bearing afterward, possibly 3 months, with full recovery said to take a year.

    And I am not convinced that the outcome of this surgery is guaranteed enough to make it worth the risks, and the collateral damage that the prolonged recovery entails.

    So yeah, to answer your question, I do see a podiatrist 😅

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    • ShiroKuroS
      ShiroKuroS
      ShiroKuro
      wrote last edited by ShiroKuro
      #22

      To bring it back to the OP, and the pros and cons of surgery... I feel like this is quite similar to the knee issues. There are tendons involved, and bone, and the traditional surgery, which is open surgery, has so many possibilities for complications, while the newer, minimally invasive surgical option is controversial and has fewer skilled/experienced practitioners...

      I don't know if there are longitudinal studies (like 10 years post-op) of this surgery (I have looked before and will do so again) but I wouldn't be surprised if the findings turn out to be similar to the knee surgery findings.

      Tendons heal very slowly. But the standard medical guidance is surgery if conservative measures don't show results after 6 months. If tendons heal so slowly, why wouldn't it take longer than 6 months?

      Right now, I can walk. If I have the surgery, I won't be able to walk for probably 6 months. So why hurry?

      So my current approach is to change the angle of my heel (with footwear and heel lifts) to move the bone and enthesophyte away from the achilles tendon, while also doing specific kinds of PT, and see if I can get better without the surgery. (so as you can guess, this is why footwear is so important to me!)

      My last MRI was in May, so I'm going to ask for another MRI in next spring.

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      • ShiroKuroS
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        #23

        At present, these are the closest to perfect-for-me shoes that I've found (I add a heel lift) but they need a slightly larger toe box).

        Made by Dansko

        alt text

        I have three pair, and right now, the black seems to be sold out, hopefully that doesn't mean they're going to stop making them... 🤞

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          CHAS
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          #24

          The podiatrist that comes to the next town has been well liked. Some would go to see him to look at him. He was quite attractive. When he was close enough to be working on your feet it was easy to see that he was very good with makeup.
          He gave me a hard sell on some orthotics that I tossed after two days. It was an out of pocket expense. I tossed them within two days. They were destroying my knees
          Also, the makeup was gone. He looked rather ordinary.
          Wonder what he got caught doing?

          Illegitimi non carborundum

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          • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

            At present, these are the closest to perfect-for-me shoes that I've found (I add a heel lift) but they need a slightly larger toe box).

            Made by Dansko

            alt text

            I have three pair, and right now, the black seems to be sold out, hopefully that doesn't mean they're going to stop making them... 🤞

            S
            S
            Steve Miller
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            #25

            @ShiroKuro

            You can make the toe any width you like with a pair of inexpensive shoe stretching gadgets from Amazon.

            One if the best purchases I’ve ever made.

            ShiroKuroS MikM 2 Replies Last reply
            • S Steve Miller

              @ShiroKuro

              You can make the toe any width you like with a pair of inexpensive shoe stretching gadgets from Amazon.

              One if the best purchases I’ve ever made.

              ShiroKuroS
              ShiroKuroS
              ShiroKuro
              wrote last edited by
              #26

              @Steve-Miller said:
              You can make the toe any width you like with a pair of inexpensive shoe stretching gadgets from Amazon.

              I have a set. I used them on the shoes that I shared a photo of above. They do help, but there’s a limit to how much you can reshape a shoe, a better design would help even more.

              I have a pair of shoes that has a toe box that is the perfect size and shape. But the heel is too low and they are mules (so can’t accommodate a heel insert). The shoes in the photo above have a great heel cup and sole, but need a wider toe box.

              All I want is the toe box of the first pair of shoes with the heel and sole of the second, in one pair. Sigh.

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                RealPlayer
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                #27

                I’m going to need a knee replacement. The arthritis has gotten to the really painful point. I’m only walking short distances and using a cane. Have seen one doctor who offers a robotic technique but there’s a $4,000 copay I’d have to pay. A relative who’s an orthopedist (2000 miles away) suggested I keep looking. So I’ll be investigating other options.

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                • R RealPlayer

                  I’m going to need a knee replacement. The arthritis has gotten to the really painful point. I’m only walking short distances and using a cane. Have seen one doctor who offers a robotic technique but there’s a $4,000 copay I’d have to pay. A relative who’s an orthopedist (2000 miles away) suggested I keep looking. So I’ll be investigating other options.

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                  Bernard
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                  @RealPlayer Oh, no, RP. I'm sorry to hear that you are living with pain. Hope you find a good solution soon.

                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                  • S Steve Miller

                    @ShiroKuro

                    You can make the toe any width you like with a pair of inexpensive shoe stretching gadgets from Amazon.

                    One if the best purchases I’ve ever made.

                    MikM
                    MikM
                    Mik
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                    #29

                    @Steve-Miller said:

                    @ShiroKuro

                    You can make the toe any width you like with a pair of inexpensive shoe stretching gadgets from Amazon.

                    One if the best purchases I’ve ever made.

                    I'll have to look. The curse of wide feet in a medium width world.

                    “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                    ― Douglas Adams

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                    • MikM Mik

                      @Steve-Miller said:

                      @ShiroKuro

                      You can make the toe any width you like with a pair of inexpensive shoe stretching gadgets from Amazon.

                      One if the best purchases I’ve ever made.

                      I'll have to look. The curse of wide feet in a medium width world.

                      ShiroKuroS
                      ShiroKuroS
                      ShiroKuro
                      wrote last edited by
                      #30

                      @Mik there are tons of plastic ones but I like the wooden ones. Something like this:

                      https://www.amazon.com/KevenAnna-Premium-Professional-Wooden-Stretcher/dp/B01A6VM190/ref=mp_s_a_1_6

                      @realplayer I’m so sorry to hear about your knee troubles!!

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