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  • wtgW Offline
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    #34

    From another eyewitness. My bolding.

    Emily Heller was in the middle of making breakfast when she heard whistles – a signal residents have used to warn their neighbors about the presence of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers – and agents quarreling with protesters on her street.

    Without time to put on her shoes, Heller ran outside and saw a convoy of ICE agents on her street, yelling at a woman in an SUV who appeared to be blocking them from passing.

    Moments later, the woman, Renee Nicole Good, 37, was fatally shot.

    “My life is forever changed from having witnessed this,” Heller said.

    Heller told CNN Good “was totally peaceful” before the agents began yelling at Good to move and “aggressively” approached her vehicle.

    An ICE agent then tried to open her car door as another stood nearby. “She reversed a little bit,” Heller said, and then turned her wheels to begin pulling away.

    “And then they went up to her car and started trying to open her door, and that’s when I’m sure she got spooked and tried to flee,” Heller said. “So she reversed a little bit and then angled her wheels so she could drive away. And as she was trying to move forward, one of the ICE agents stepped in front of her vehicle and reached across the hood and fired his weapon about three or four times and shot her in the face.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-law-enforcement-involved-ice-related-shooting-minneapolis-rcna252812

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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    • Piano*DadP Offline
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      Gov. Walz prepares the Minnesota National Guard.

      If I'm mayor Frey, I move immediately to arrest the Ice goons involved.

      https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/07/walz-orders-mn-national-guard-to-prepare-for-possible-deployment-following-ice-killing/

      Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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      • RontunerR Offline
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        #36

        It is important to consider that the ICE agents that have worked for many years used to follow procedures and protocol to assure that there was probable cause and warrants issued before taking anyone into custody. Plenty were deported on a regular basis.

        This new ICE is acting like well-funded government-sponsored (Rebublican only) bounty hunters. Instead of procedure and protocol, warrants and research - agents are awarded cash bonuses for capturing people and placing them into the government (Republican only) system where they are presumed guilty until proven innocent. We've witnessed all sorts of random people being gathered, injured and murdered - and the first defense used by ICE and the government (Republican only) is to lie over and over.

        How'd we get here? Three branches of government, where the executive branch is in charge of enforcing laws. We now know if the entire executive branch (Republican) decides what laws to ignore, and how to interpret existing laws and is willing to ignore the judicial branch (after all, who enforces what the judicial branch interprets?) it can lead to these results.

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        • ShiroKuroS Offline
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          #37

          I meant to post this earlier...

          I think @wtg gave us a nice summary of @andyd 's and @wtg 's takes on this issue:

          I place the responsibility for the outcome much more on the agents than on her. You seem to be indicating that the blame is all on her because she didn't follow an order.

          I just want to say for the record that I agree with @wtg

          The ICE agents are acting not in good faith, they are behaving unethically and most likely illegally. They cover their faces, they are responsible for "disappearing people," and as @wtg points out, they consistently act like completely untrained idiots. They are terrorizing communities across the country, and they shouldn't have been in this community in the first place.

          The responsibility for this tragedy rests fully on them.

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            It is important to consider that the ICE agents that have worked for many years used to follow procedures and protocol to assure that there was probable cause and warrants issued before taking anyone into custody. Plenty were deported on a regular basis.

            This new ICE is acting like well-funded government-sponsored (Rebublican only) bounty hunters. Instead of procedure and protocol, warrants and research - agents are awarded cash bonuses for capturing people and placing them into the government (Republican only) system where they are presumed guilty until proven innocent. We've witnessed all sorts of random people being gathered, injured and murdered - and the first defense used by ICE and the government (Republican only) is to lie over and over.

            How'd we get here? Three branches of government, where the executive branch is in charge of enforcing laws. We now know if the entire executive branch (Republican) decides what laws to ignore, and how to interpret existing laws and is willing to ignore the judicial branch (after all, who enforces what the judicial branch interprets?) it can lead to these results.

            wtgW Offline
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            wrote last edited by wtg
            #38

            @Rontuner said in In Minneapolis:

            It is important to consider that the ICE agents that have worked for many years used to follow procedures and protocol to assure that there was probable cause and warrants issued before taking anyone into custody. Plenty were deported on a regular basis.

            This new ICE is acting like well-funded government-sponsored (Rebublican only) bounty hunters. Instead of procedure and protocol, warrants and research - agents are awarded cash bonuses for capturing people and placing them into the government (Republican only) system where they are presumed guilty until proven innocent. We've witnessed all sorts of random people being gathered, injured and murdered - and the first defense used by ICE and the government (Republican only) is to lie over and over.

            How'd we get here? Three branches of government, where the executive branch is in charge of enforcing laws. We now know if the entire executive branch (Republican) decides what laws to ignore, and how to interpret existing laws and is willing to ignore the judicial branch (after all, who enforces what the judicial branch interprets?) it can lead to these results.

            Good points about the rewards system in place for ICE agents. It really is a bounty program. And the rules of engagement have completely changed; there pretty much aren't any rules.

            One other thing I thought of - how could shooting the driver of that car have prevented the agent from being hit? The momentum would carry the vehicle forward and he would have gotten clobbered anyway.

            The only rational decision is, as the retired police chief said, to get out of the way. And worry about apprehending the perpetrator later.

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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              AndyD
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              @wtg
              🧡 right back at you and all here, at this upsetting incident.
              I have no axe to grind, but admit to assuming not guilty unless proven.
              I understand a bit of where you are coming from, the 90,000 Somali background, the effective invasion of federal ICE agents into the state.
              I also understand a bit of the crapola which the Whitehouse puts out. Why do I dislike Vance so much?

              Ignoring the personas of the video and any ridiculous Vance theories; and looking at a video of the incident on BBC Verify, my take is:
              That the driver was blocking the road and
              the driver did not do as asked at least twice by law officers; and
              the driver then tried to flee the scene driving in a way that endangered two officers by weaponising the vehicle.
              That an officer shot at the vehicle once from in front then twice from the side.
              Pretty factual.

              Can a video demonstrate intent/no intent by the driver to harm the officers? No.
              The driver's actions could certainly be interpreted by the officers as a threat and attack.

              The first shot could reasonably be called self-defence. The other two side shots not. Lock him up. I'll listen to mitigation on his behalf.

              BTW
              Vance sucks big time.

              Ventosa viri restabit

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                Andy, I would tend to agree with you about obeying law enforcement - except for 2 things:

                1. These new recruits are acting lawlessly without regard for common practices of law enforcement.
                2. The US has a poor record for how police have treated people in the country - killed for 'driving while black' comes to mind.

                So no, normal societal rules don't apply anymore.

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                  @wtg
                  🧡 right back at you and all here, at this upsetting incident.
                  I have no axe to grind, but admit to assuming not guilty unless proven.
                  I understand a bit of where you are coming from, the 90,000 Somali background, the effective invasion of federal ICE agents into the state.
                  I also understand a bit of the crapola which the Whitehouse puts out. Why do I dislike Vance so much?

                  Ignoring the personas of the video and any ridiculous Vance theories; and looking at a video of the incident on BBC Verify, my take is:
                  That the driver was blocking the road and
                  the driver did not do as asked at least twice by law officers; and
                  the driver then tried to flee the scene driving in a way that endangered two officers by weaponising the vehicle.
                  That an officer shot at the vehicle once from in front then twice from the side.
                  Pretty factual.

                  Can a video demonstrate intent/no intent by the driver to harm the officers? No.
                  The driver's actions could certainly be interpreted by the officers as a threat and attack.

                  The first shot could reasonably be called self-defence. The other two side shots not. Lock him up. I'll listen to mitigation on his behalf.

                  BTW
                  Vance sucks big time.

                  wtgW Offline
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                  wtg
                  wrote last edited by wtg
                  #41

                  @AndyD said in In Minneapolis:

                  BTW
                  Vance sucks big time.

                  I hadn't heard his remarks from today until just a few minutes ago. I watched about 10 seconds' worth.

                  His record of being an idiot is intact. In record time.

                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                    wtg
                    wrote last edited by wtg
                    #42

                    So much for transparency and accountability. The fix is in.

                    The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) announced Thursday that it has "reluctantly withdrawn" from the investigation into the shooting of a woman by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer.

                    The state investigative bureau said it was informed by the FBI that it would no longer have access to materials required for a "thorough and independent" review.

                    Minnesota BCA Superintendent Drew Evans issued a statement on Thursday morning saying on Wednesday, "after consultation with the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office, the U.S. Attorney’s Office and the FBI, it was decided that the BCA Force Investigations Unit would conduct a joint investigation with the FBI" into the death of Renee Nicole Good during an ICE operation in south Minneapolis.

                    "Later that afternoon, the FBI informed the BCA that the U.S. Attorney’s Office had reversed course: the investigation would now be led solely by the FBI, and the BCA would no longer have access to the case materials, scene evidence or investigative interviews necessary to complete a thorough and independent investigation," Evans continued.

                    "Without complete access to the evidence, witnesses and information collected, we cannot meet the investigative standards that Minnesota law and the public demands," he added. "As a result, the BCA has reluctantly withdrawn from the investigation. The BCA Force Investigations Unit was designed to ensure consistency, accountability and public confidence, none of which can be achieved without full cooperation and jurisdictional clarity."

                    https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-bureau-criminal-apprehension-drops-out-ice-involved-shooting-investigation

                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                      wrote last edited by wtg
                      #43

                      So my guess that he might have lacked training doesn't seem to pan out. I heard on our local news that he had 10 years experience.

                      And last year, he had this experience. Certainly could have affected his response in this situation. Though I still can't see how shooting the driver stops the car from hitting him.

                      The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent who fatally shot a 37-year-old woman in Minneapolis on Jan. 7 is Jonathan Ross, the same officer who was dragged and injured by a fleeing driver in a separate incident last year, according to a person with knowledge of the case and verified by court documents.

                      On June 17, Ross was participating in an arrest of Roberto Carlos Munoz-Guatemala, a Mexican citizen, in Bloomington last year. Munoz-Guatemala had previously been convicted of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct and had been put on a detainer by immigration officials. Munoz-Guatemala ignored the agents’ commands, including to fully roll down his car window, so Ross broke open his rear window and reached inside to unlock the door.

                      Munoz-Guatemala put the vehicle in drive and accelerated onto the curb, the charges said. Ross was dragged alongside the vehicle and twice fired his Taser as Munoz-Guatemala weaved back and forth “in an apparent attempt to shake” him from the car. About 300 feet down the road, Munoz-Guatemala re-entered the street and the force knocked the officer from the car.

                      The agent required 20 stitches for a deep cut in his right arm and another 13 stitches in his left hand, according to court documents. A jury convicted Munoz-Guatemala of assaulting a federal officer in December.

                      Hours after the shooting Wednesday morning, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem said the agent involved had “been dragged by a vehicle” in an earlier incident. At the time, she did not provide specific location details.

                      But she described the unnamed officer as “an experienced” agent who’d been in similar situations before and “followed his training.”

                      From the Star Tribune, local Minneapolis paper.

                      https://archive.is/Alwuw#selection-365.0-365.132

                      edit: Confirmed that he's a 10 year veteran, and a resident of Minneapolis.

                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/08/ice-agent-minneapolis-shooting

                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                        wtg
                        wrote last edited by wtg
                        #44

                        Another video has surfaced. Seen in The Intercept and I can only see it there, at least for now.

                        https://theintercept.com/2026/01/07/video-ice-shooting-civilian-minneapolis/

                        If you don't have an (free) Intercept account and want to at least read the article:

                        https://archive.is/6gfzg

                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                          Yeah, have to agree with jon and others. ICE agents in these incidents are notorious for giving conflicting orders. The agent wasn't in any danger of being run over. So he has no excuse.

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                            Jasmine Crockett

                            Link to video

                            The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                              Jared Moskowitz

                              Link to video

                              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                                CBP shot and wounded two people in Portland, OR today, in a medical clinic parking lot. Developing story here.

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                                  Videos also show Renee Good waving ICE vehicles around her car - so not trying to block them at all. Another lie by ICE and the (Republican) government.

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                                    The feds are preventing MN from investigating. The state must take over anyway, do the best it can, and bring the issue to a grand jury.

                                    Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                    • Piano*DadP Piano*Dad

                                      The feds are preventing MN from investigating. The state must take over anyway, do the best it can, and bring the issue to a grand jury.

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                                      @Piano-Dad said in In Minneapolis:

                                      The feds are preventing MN from investigating. The state must take over anyway, do the best it can, and bring the issue to a grand jury.

                                      Agreed.

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