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      https://www.startribune.com/she-was-an-amazing-human-being-mother-identifies-woman-shot-killed-by-ice-agent/601559922

      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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        If this ever ends, I think all recent ICE hires should be be placed in prisons abroad awaiting trial...

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          The term for that is murder.

          "If you're looking for sympathy, you'll find it between s**t and syphilis in the dictionary."-David Sedaris

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            And another video. The woman who was watching the events and who took the video has balls of steel.

            It shows the soon to be victim trying to leave the scene but a car comes down the street and she stops to let it by, even waving it by. Just then an ICE vehicle drives up and the agents get out. Two of them are near her car and one reaches for her door. She tries to leave and as she is driving by a third agent who is a ways down the street, he turns and shoots straight at her.

            https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/07/ice-officer-fatally-shoots-driver-through-car-window-in-minneapolis/

            Whatever happened to de-escalation?

            Another eyewitness interviewed by MPR.

            https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTODCRTAhDL/

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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              This will keep happening. All over the country.

              It is beyond wrong.

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                Here is the frame-by-frame breakdown:

                Pre-Motion Intent: The agent drew and aimed before the vehicle gained forward traction. The lethal intent existed before the "threat" moved.
                The Traction Factor: The tires initially spun on ice. This was not a speeding missile, it was a vehicle struggling to accelerate. This provided ample reaction time that was ignored.
                The Sidestep: The agent sidestepped while maintaining his sight picture.
                If you have the time and balance to sidestep and keep aiming, you have the time to clear the path.
                He didn't shoot because he was trapped, he stayed in the pocket to ensure a kill.
                He prioritized taking the shot over taking a safe step. That is an offensive choice, not a defensive necessity. To further solidify this argument, he did not fire his weapon until after the vehicle was taking a clearly evasive maneuver..

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  Here is the frame-by-frame breakdown:

                  Pre-Motion Intent: The agent drew and aimed before the vehicle gained forward traction. The lethal intent existed before the "threat" moved.
                  The Traction Factor: The tires initially spun on ice. This was not a speeding missile, it was a vehicle struggling to accelerate. This provided ample reaction time that was ignored.
                  The Sidestep: The agent sidestepped while maintaining his sight picture.
                  If you have the time and balance to sidestep and keep aiming, you have the time to clear the path.
                  He didn't shoot because he was trapped, he stayed in the pocket to ensure a kill.
                  He prioritized taking the shot over taking a safe step. That is an offensive choice, not a defensive necessity. To further solidify this argument, he did not fire his weapon until after the vehicle was taking a clearly evasive maneuver..

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                  @wtg which article is this from?

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                    It’s from someone on Reddit. I dont usually post stuff from there but these observations were worth noting, I thought

                    Here’s some analysis from CNN.

                    https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/minneapolis-shooting-ice-video-analysis-vis

                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                      It’s from someone on Reddit. I dont usually post stuff from there but these observations were worth noting, I thought

                      Here’s some analysis from CNN.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/minneapolis-shooting-ice-video-analysis-vis

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                      @wtg said in In Minneapolis:

                      It’s from someone on Reddit.

                      Can you share a link?

                      I’ll check out the cnn link as well.

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                        @shirokuro Here’s the Reddit thread.

                        https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1q6r1iu/cmv_the_minneapolis_ice_agent_who_shot_and_killed/

                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                          Thanks!

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                            WTF.

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                              Rep. Kelly announces plans to impeach Secretary Kristi Noem

                              https://robinkelly.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/rep-kelly-announces-plans-impeach-secretary-kristi-noem

                              “Secretary Kristi Noem is an incompetent leader, a disgrace to our democracy, and I am impeaching her for obstruction of justice, violation of public trust, and self-dealing. Secretary Noem wreaked havoc in the Chicagoland area, and now, her rogue ICE agents have unleashed that same destruction in Minneapolis, fatally shooting Renee Nicole Good,” said Rep. Kelly. “From Chicago to Charlotte to Los Angeles to Minneapolis, Secretary Noem is violating the Constitution while ruining—and ending—lives, and separating families. It’s one thing to be incompetent and dangerous, but it’s impeachable to break the rule of law. I told my constituents and Chicagoans that I would fight against Secretary Noem’s agenda. This is me fighting back.”

                              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                                I haven't looked at all the links above and have posted my take on the awful incident on 'the other' forum.

                                Basically looks like the driver panicked, importantly...
                                failed to obey the Officer asking them to get stop and get out of the car, possibly causing him a hand injury while reversing as the Officer attempts to open the door.
                                The driver then...
                                drives forward towards another Officer who had drawn his weapon while the car reversed, and who then fires at the driver as the car lurches forward.

                                Ventosa viri restabit

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  At least two of his shots were after the bumper had moved beyond him Andy.

                                  True she was on the wrong trying to leave the scene. But here cops can’t execute you for it.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    MAGA: “you better obey the police or else they can and should kill you at point blank range"

                                    Also MAGA: "january 6th was pretty chill actually, they were just walking around, what's the big deal??"

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                                      Yea, it was far from a proportional response. Especially not for what amounts to a simple traffic violation.

                                      Change the scenario a bit. Strip away the details that make this politically charged.

                                      Police stop a teenager for having a burned out brake light. Kid takes off because he’s spooked. Would we ever imagine the right course of action would be to shoot him at point blank range?

                                      She wasn’t the target of their immigration enforcement activities, she was just blocking the way. It’s not like any of the agents looked like they thought she was a threat. No one is crouching or approaching the car carefully. The guy who shot her came around the front of the car, the other guy walked over to the door and tried to open it and when he couldn’t he reached in to unlock it. They wanted her car out of there and she eventually started to move. They should have let her leave and if they wanted to pursue some kind of charges, simply note her license plate and deal with it later.

                                      The guy who shot her had two choices: Shoot her or step aside. I think he was pissed off and lost his cool. I won’t be surprised if it turns out he’s one of the new recruits they’ve hired and that he doesn’t have much real law enforcement training.

                                      The whole episode was unnecessary escalation and is a result of the administration-induced hysteria. Constant chaos and knee jerk reactions.

                                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                        Yea, it was far from a proportional response. Especially not for what amounts to a simple traffic violation.

                                        Change the scenario a bit. Strip away the details that make this politically charged.

                                        Police stop a teenager for having a burned out brake light. Kid takes off because he’s spooked. Would we ever imagine the right course of action would be to shoot him at point blank range?

                                        She wasn’t the target of their immigration enforcement activities, she was just blocking the way. It’s not like any of the agents looked like they thought she was a threat. No one is crouching or approaching the car carefully. The guy who shot her came around the front of the car, the other guy walked over to the door and tried to open it and when he couldn’t he reached in to unlock it. They wanted her car out of there and she eventually started to move. They should have let her leave and if they wanted to pursue some kind of charges, simply note her license plate and deal with it later.

                                        The guy who shot her had two choices: Shoot her or step aside. I think he was pissed off and lost his cool. I won’t be surprised if it turns out he’s one of the new recruits they’ve hired and that he doesn’t have much real law enforcement training.

                                        The whole episode was unnecessary escalation and is a result of the administration-induced hysteria. Constant chaos and knee jerk reactions.

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                                        @wtg

                                        the whole episode was unnecessary escalation and is a result of the administration-induced hysteria. Constant chaos and knee jerk reactions.

                                        This exactly.

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          I agree with everything except the simple traffic violation - that part isn’t clear to me. I don’t know why she was perpendicular to the road. If she had been trying to block them it would be more than a violation (though she was waving them by). If she was caught in the middle of a K turn then yeah, traffic violation.

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