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    Bernard
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    More on the grotesqueness of it all: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/us/politics/murkowski-republican-bill.html

    The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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      This process starting with Schumer having leverage and throwing it away.

      I'm past the past the point of hoping the Democrats will have a spine.

      This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

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        This process starting with Schumer having leverage and throwing it away.

        I'm past the past the point of hoping the Democrats will have a spine.

        This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

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        @Daniel. Well, there is that too. There is a lot of rot in settled politics. Too many long-termers at the top. I get a glimmer of hope from today's younger generation. I'm heartened by Mamdani's primary win in NYC over the Dem establishment and hope the party leadership wakes up.

        The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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          @Bernard Yes, I feel the same way, and am also encouraged by what happened in NYC.

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            ACA subsidices eliminated.

            So, basically the ACA overturned.

            'Big Beautiful Bill': Higher healthcare premiums for Obamacare https://share.google/5ARmA5e1XCQWER8c2

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              Trump’s Medicaid cuts are coming for rural Americans: ‘It’s going to have to hit them first’

              Experts worry the tax-and-spending bill will gut healthcare and hospitals, especially in states like North Carolina

              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/04/rural-americans-medicaid-cuts-trump-bill

              When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                The part I don't understand is why the protests have been negligible when the last time he was going to gut healthcare the protests were massive.

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                  Because this time the folks affected are actually in favor of it.

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                    Rural southwest Nebraska clinic closes, blaming expected Medicaid cuts

                    https://www.klkntv.com/rural-southwest-nebraska-clinic-closes-blaming-expected-medicaid-cuts/

                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                      Because this time the folks affected are actually in favor of it.

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                      @Steve-Miller said in It passed in the Senate:

                      Because this time the folks affected are actually in favor of it.

                      Yes. I see now. You're right.

                      How messed up.

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                        There were billionaires asked to be taxed more before. I suppose we are seeing the up side now, that there are also Medicaid recipients wanting benefit cuts.

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                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2025/07/03/trump-tax-bill-china-artificial-intelligence-energy/

                          China to win the AI arms race ... the argument goes that because the bill cuts clean/renewable energy subsidies, that will lead to the U.S. developing 344 Gigawatts of new electricity generation capacity over the next ten years, handicapping the American AI industry, ceding the win to China that is taking the "all of the above" approach to energy development and adding new electricity generation capacity like crazy.

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                            HuffPo also rounded up its own list flip-floppers, legislators who complained loudly and publicly about the bill then ended up voting for it anyway:

                            https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tax-bill-flip-flop_n_6866c11ae4b0bde15485959a

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