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    The dueling House and Senate bills differ on details but agreed on a key point: Both would massively expand federal spending on immigration enforcement.

    Overall, the Senate version will dedicate $175 billion to an immigration crackdown, including an extra $30 billion for ICE, which can be spent over four years. To put that in perspective, ICE’s current budget is about $8 billion per year.

    The bill also designates $45 billion for detention facilities, which can also be spent at any time over the next four years. By comparison, the U.S. spends about $8 billion a year on the Bureau of Prisons.

    From The Intercept:

    https://archive.is/GQ2Hi

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      Who are the winners, and who are the losers. Bloomberg reporting.

      https://archive.is/6l7dB

      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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        Murkowski doesn't give a *^&) about people in states other than her own. She admits the bill is bad but votes for it anyway in hopes that useless Mike will cover her (&&. Makes me want to barf. My opinion of her actions really isn't fit for printing.

        The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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          Is Murkowski worse than the other 49 GOP Senators who voted for the bill? Presumably these 49 GOP voted more enthusiastically for the bill compared to Murkowski.

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            Is Murkowski worse than the other 49 GOP Senators who voted for the bill? Presumably these 49 GOP voted more enthusiastically for the bill compared to Murkowski.

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            @Axtremus

            Presumably these 49 GOP voted more enthusiastically for the bill compared to Murkowski.

            Well, that's what makes Collins and Murkowski so bad. They betray themselves. Collins, over and over again, makes sure we know how concerned she is, yet almost always fails to reach the conclusion that her logic should dictate. (She held her ground on this vote, good for her.) Murkowski flat out stated how bad the bill was and that she hoped shallow Mike would change it in the House. How f'n clueless can you be? These two excel at abdicating responsibility--responsibility that they spend a lot of time trying to convince us they have a handle on, when in fact it boils down to little more than a show because more often than not they don't have the spine to do the right thing. But we know they're concerned and they've thought about saving the day, but in the end, they cave.

            The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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              @Axtremus

              Presumably these 49 GOP voted more enthusiastically for the bill compared to Murkowski.

              Well, that's what makes Collins and Murkowski so bad. They betray themselves. Collins, over and over again, makes sure we know how concerned she is, yet almost always fails to reach the conclusion that her logic should dictate. (She held her ground on this vote, good for her.) Murkowski flat out stated how bad the bill was and that she hoped shallow Mike would change it in the House. How f'n clueless can you be? These two excel at abdicating responsibility--responsibility that they spend a lot of time trying to convince us they have a handle on, when in fact it boils down to little more than a show because more often than not they don't have the spine to do the right thing. But we know they're concerned and they've thought about saving the day, but in the end, they cave.

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              @Bernard said in It passed in the Senate:

              They betray themselves.

              On that note:

              https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/us/politics/republican-criticism-trump-policy-bill.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T08.PEVI.ql80hNTGogFG

              The article rounds up the GOP legislators who publicly savaged the bill then voted for it anyway.

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                @Bernard said in It passed in the Senate:

                They betray themselves.

                On that note:

                https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/us/politics/republican-criticism-trump-policy-bill.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T08.PEVI.ql80hNTGogFG

                The article rounds up the GOP legislators who publicly savaged the bill then voted for it anyway.

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                @Axtremus They're all bankrupt, of course. And it's absolutely sickening.

                Representative Andy Harris of Maryland, the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, said that he and other conservative holdouts were swayed after discussions with Mr. Trump about “executive actions” and other steps he and his administration could take to change the way the law would be implemented.

                That's an absolute travesty, but it does put those idiots in a different category from Murkowski. At least they think (ha!) the law will be implemented differently than what they voted on. Gawd, they're pathetic.

                After accepting bribes, Murkowski hoped the bill would be changed in the House. And she frequently criticizes the President. Her convictions obviously don't go very deep. And, as the article points out, she held leverage. And she threw it away.

                None of this should be construed to mean I hold the remainder of the Senate and House republicans in esteem. Hawley: spineless hypocrite, along with countless others.

                Bottom line for me is that Collins and Murkowski often find themselves in positions of holding leverage, but instead of doing the right thing, they habitually disappoint.

                The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                  More on the grotesqueness of it all: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/us/politics/murkowski-republican-bill.html

                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                    This process starting with Schumer having leverage and throwing it away.

                    I'm past the past the point of hoping the Democrats will have a spine.

                    This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

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                      This process starting with Schumer having leverage and throwing it away.

                      I'm past the past the point of hoping the Democrats will have a spine.

                      This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

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                      @Daniel. Well, there is that too. There is a lot of rot in settled politics. Too many long-termers at the top. I get a glimmer of hope from today's younger generation. I'm heartened by Mamdani's primary win in NYC over the Dem establishment and hope the party leadership wakes up.

                      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                        @Bernard Yes, I feel the same way, and am also encouraged by what happened in NYC.

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                          ACA subsidices eliminated.

                          So, basically the ACA overturned.

                          'Big Beautiful Bill': Higher healthcare premiums for Obamacare https://share.google/5ARmA5e1XCQWER8c2

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