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  • AxtremusA Online
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    Is Murkowski worse than the other 49 GOP Senators who voted for the bill? Presumably these 49 GOP voted more enthusiastically for the bill compared to Murkowski.

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      Is Murkowski worse than the other 49 GOP Senators who voted for the bill? Presumably these 49 GOP voted more enthusiastically for the bill compared to Murkowski.

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      @Axtremus

      Presumably these 49 GOP voted more enthusiastically for the bill compared to Murkowski.

      Well, that's what makes Collins and Murkowski so bad. They betray themselves. Collins, over and over again, makes sure we know how concerned she is, yet almost always fails to reach the conclusion that her logic should dictate. (She held her ground on this vote, good for her.) Murkowski flat out stated how bad the bill was and that she hoped shallow Mike would change it in the House. How f'n clueless can you be? These two excel at abdicating responsibility--responsibility that they spend a lot of time trying to convince us they have a handle on, when in fact it boils down to little more than a show because more often than not they don't have the spine to do the right thing. But we know they're concerned and they've thought about saving the day, but in the end, they cave.

      The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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        @Axtremus

        Presumably these 49 GOP voted more enthusiastically for the bill compared to Murkowski.

        Well, that's what makes Collins and Murkowski so bad. They betray themselves. Collins, over and over again, makes sure we know how concerned she is, yet almost always fails to reach the conclusion that her logic should dictate. (She held her ground on this vote, good for her.) Murkowski flat out stated how bad the bill was and that she hoped shallow Mike would change it in the House. How f'n clueless can you be? These two excel at abdicating responsibility--responsibility that they spend a lot of time trying to convince us they have a handle on, when in fact it boils down to little more than a show because more often than not they don't have the spine to do the right thing. But we know they're concerned and they've thought about saving the day, but in the end, they cave.

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        @Bernard said in It passed in the Senate:

        They betray themselves.

        On that note:

        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/us/politics/republican-criticism-trump-policy-bill.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T08.PEVI.ql80hNTGogFG

        The article rounds up the GOP legislators who publicly savaged the bill then voted for it anyway.

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          @Bernard said in It passed in the Senate:

          They betray themselves.

          On that note:

          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/us/politics/republican-criticism-trump-policy-bill.html?unlocked_article_code=1.T08.PEVI.ql80hNTGogFG

          The article rounds up the GOP legislators who publicly savaged the bill then voted for it anyway.

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          @Axtremus They're all bankrupt, of course. And it's absolutely sickening.

          Representative Andy Harris of Maryland, the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, said that he and other conservative holdouts were swayed after discussions with Mr. Trump about “executive actions” and other steps he and his administration could take to change the way the law would be implemented.

          That's an absolute travesty, but it does put those idiots in a different category from Murkowski. At least they think (ha!) the law will be implemented differently than what they voted on. Gawd, they're pathetic.

          After accepting bribes, Murkowski hoped the bill would be changed in the House. And she frequently criticizes the President. Her convictions obviously don't go very deep. And, as the article points out, she held leverage. And she threw it away.

          None of this should be construed to mean I hold the remainder of the Senate and House republicans in esteem. Hawley: spineless hypocrite, along with countless others.

          Bottom line for me is that Collins and Murkowski often find themselves in positions of holding leverage, but instead of doing the right thing, they habitually disappoint.

          The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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            More on the grotesqueness of it all: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/us/politics/murkowski-republican-bill.html

            The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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              This process starting with Schumer having leverage and throwing it away.

              I'm past the past the point of hoping the Democrats will have a spine.

              This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

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                This process starting with Schumer having leverage and throwing it away.

                I'm past the past the point of hoping the Democrats will have a spine.

                This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

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                @Daniel. Well, there is that too. There is a lot of rot in settled politics. Too many long-termers at the top. I get a glimmer of hope from today's younger generation. I'm heartened by Mamdani's primary win in NYC over the Dem establishment and hope the party leadership wakes up.

                The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                  @Bernard Yes, I feel the same way, and am also encouraged by what happened in NYC.

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                    ACA subsidices eliminated.

                    So, basically the ACA overturned.

                    'Big Beautiful Bill': Higher healthcare premiums for Obamacare https://share.google/5ARmA5e1XCQWER8c2

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                      Trump’s Medicaid cuts are coming for rural Americans: ‘It’s going to have to hit them first’

                      Experts worry the tax-and-spending bill will gut healthcare and hospitals, especially in states like North Carolina

                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/04/rural-americans-medicaid-cuts-trump-bill

                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                        The part I don't understand is why the protests have been negligible when the last time he was going to gut healthcare the protests were massive.

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                          Because this time the folks affected are actually in favor of it.

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                            Rural southwest Nebraska clinic closes, blaming expected Medicaid cuts

                            https://www.klkntv.com/rural-southwest-nebraska-clinic-closes-blaming-expected-medicaid-cuts/

                            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                              Because this time the folks affected are actually in favor of it.

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                              @Steve-Miller said in It passed in the Senate:

                              Because this time the folks affected are actually in favor of it.

                              Yes. I see now. You're right.

                              How messed up.

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                                There were billionaires asked to be taxed more before. I suppose we are seeing the up side now, that there are also Medicaid recipients wanting benefit cuts.

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                                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2025/07/03/trump-tax-bill-china-artificial-intelligence-energy/

                                  China to win the AI arms race ... the argument goes that because the bill cuts clean/renewable energy subsidies, that will lead to the U.S. developing 344 Gigawatts of new electricity generation capacity over the next ten years, handicapping the American AI industry, ceding the win to China that is taking the "all of the above" approach to energy development and adding new electricity generation capacity like crazy.

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                                    HuffPo also rounded up its own list flip-floppers, legislators who complained loudly and publicly about the bill then ended up voting for it anyway:

                                    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tax-bill-flip-flop_n_6866c11ae4b0bde15485959a

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