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    I'm trying to understand where Trump voters are coming from. Here's one viewpoint.

    I am a Mexican Amercan who voted for Donald Trump. No, I don't hate myself.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/11/13/opinion-democrats-latino-voters-donald-trump/?share=ouoecsochroehsrra3ad

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      Steve Miller
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      Newspapers do like a good Cletus Safari!

      And that woman is an idiot.

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        Daniel
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        How did what happen? How did Trump get elected?

        Are we going to make this another four years of perseverating about Trump making twelve years in total of being apoplectic about a man who happened to be legitimately elected twice?

        It's time for the Democratic Party to consider its "democracy is on the ballot" rhetoric and accept the fact that Trump is the legitimately elected President-elect.

        They need to STFU about having a monopoly on democracy and consider whether they want their party to be about something other than slavishly serving the globe's oligarchs.

        He didn't steal the election from Kamala Harris, so again, they need to STFU about having anything like ownership rights to democracy.

        Either stand for something better than genocide or just STFU.

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          CHAS
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          Ask Bernie

          “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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            Daniel
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            They literally handed the delegates to her in a backroom deal. She didn't "win" any of them. They could have had an open convention.

            I've had enough of being lectured about democracy by Democrats.

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              I've read one left-leaning blog over the years and watched as they consistently hammered on the war in Palestine and linked that to Harris once she got the nomination. More than a few people online started writing that they couldn't see voting for her because she was somehow responsible. Now that blog is going crazy about how much damage a Trump presidency will cause... Why is anyone surprised that 12 million Dems decided to sit this one out?

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                I've read one left-leaning blog over the years and watched as they consistently hammered on the war in Palestine and linked that to Harris once she got the nomination. More than a few people online started writing that they couldn't see voting for her because she was somehow responsible. Now that blog is going crazy about how much damage a Trump presidency will cause... Why is anyone surprised that 12 million Dems decided to sit this one out?

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                @Rontuner 👍

                “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                  Should we be studying Russian or Mandarin?
                  Check the news for Trump's appointments.

                  “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                    For Harris to win, she needed to explain herself. Throughout her campaign, voters were saying they didn’t know what she would do. That’s because she never told them.

                    Take immigration. She said she would sign the border bill on day one. But what’s in it? She never said. Probably because she didn’t know.

                    Look, I get that she only had 100 days. But if you’ve been AG, a senator, and VP, you should know your stuff even before you jump start a campaign.

                    This whole thing is Biden’s fault. Harris did the best she could given her modest talent and intellect. But no way does she make it through a normal nominating process had Biden opted not to seek a second term.

                    I’m not worried about this clown car of political appointments. These folks are only worried about their own aggrandizement and lining their pockets. Remember when Ben Carson was head of HHS? Did he achieve anything? Nope.

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                        @Axtremus

                        😀😀😀

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                          Wait, what?

                          Harris didn’t communicate well so everyone decided to vote for a convicted rapist who tried to overthrow the government and this is somehow Biden’s fault?

                          Nah…

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                            Axtremus
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                            Trump got elected because of the people who have voted for Trump.

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                              CHAS
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                              Ask Bernie

                              “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                                Yes, Ax.

                                It's not the fact that Harris had trouble communicating. It's the fact that she froze like a deer in the headlights whenever she didn't have a teleprompter or whenever her teleprompter malfunctioned.

                                It's true that Trump is surrounding himself with a group of very unpleasant people.

                                The issue of concern for my generation was the first Iraq war. It seems that such concerns never end.

                                It seems looking back on it now even though it was such a short time ago that Trump won on the day that Harris was elevated. Her one talent was to read a speech in public and she couldn't even do that without outbursts of inappropriate laughter.

                                Biden didn't govern well during his term and ended it with a trainwreck.

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                                  Seriously, Cindy? She clearly explained her principles and her goals, if not exact specifics (which everyone would have just torn apart anyway). And Trump promised what, exactly, that sounded better?

                                  fear is the thief of dreams

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                                    And as far as I'm concerned, not being DT was more than enough reason to vote for her.

                                    fear is the thief of dreams

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                                      BTW, he forgot to mention Arab American voters and young voters. Lol.

                                      Did you know Harris underperformed Biden in every county in the United States?

                                      Ouch.

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                                        And as far as I'm concerned, not being DT was more than enough reason to vote for her.

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                                        @pique
                                        "54%
                                        Top 10 U.S. Literacy Rate Statistics
                                        Nationwide, on average, 79% of U.S. adults are literate in 2022. 21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2022. 54% of adults have a literacy below sixth-grade level." https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics#:~:text=Top 10 U.S. Literacy Rate,literacy below sixth-grade level.
                                        They vote.
                                        IMO they don't watch interviews on news shows. They react.

                                        “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                                          Seriously, Cindy? She clearly explained her principles and her goals, if not exact specifics (which everyone would have just torn apart anyway). And Trump promised what, exactly, that sounded better?

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                                          @pique do I think people should have rejected Trump because of who he is? Of course. But in the end, people prefer to vote FOR something. Harris had high favorable, so the mission was to get people to offer something.

                                          Her biggest risk was being seen as a continuation of the inept Biden administration.

                                          And there she was, campaigning with Biden. Refusing to distance. Having no plans she could articulate. Here's a test. Many of us support Harris, and she ran on the Border Bill. Go on, tell me what was in it? I pay close attention to such things, but Harris never told me what she would do about the border other than sign a preexisting bill.

                                          Many people are suffering. My daughter has triplets and, despite being two college educated people with no debt, they can't afford a house. I need a new car, but I balk at the idea of paying $45,000. People are drowning. How could they vote for someone who would stay the course?

                                          And the ideas Harris did lay out were awful. $25 k to first time buyers? Would do nothing about supply. I think housing is the biggest crisis in our country right now. People rely on the house as a nest egg. Home ownership improves communities. Why not propose a public private partnership to build affordable single family homes, no bigger than 3 bed 2 ba., modest size. Govt helps with down-payment, repaid when property s sold.

                                          I'm sorry she lost. She had a shot, but she wasn't up to the challenge.

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