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Is Clair de Lune too hard for me?

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  • AndyDA Offline
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    AndyD
    wrote last edited by
    #26

    Bars 27 & 28
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    Bars 29 &30
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    I'm playing as the score as written, bars 27 and 28 both start with 4 notes left hand, then 3 and 3 in the LH.

    Ventosa viri restabit

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    • AndyDA Offline
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      AndyD
      wrote last edited by
      #27

      Quite interesting is if you play the first page, 9/8 time signature, counting each bar as 123, 223, 323, and fit the notes... strictly, exactly.
      😀

      Ventosa viri restabit

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      • AndyDA Offline
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        AndyD
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        #28

        @shirokuro
        I'd add that in bar 27 the second arpeggio in the right hand may be better played fast using 2/1/2 then 3with5 rather than slipping over 1/2/4 then 3with5. I'll choose what feels better when its up to speed. Such is the learning process.

        Ventosa viri restabit

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        • AndyDA AndyD

          Bars 27 & 28
          10180.jpg

          Bars 29 &30
          10181.jpg

          I'm playing as the score as written, bars 27 and 28 both start with 4 notes left hand, then 3 and 3 in the LH.

          ShiroKuroS Online
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          ShiroKuro
          wrote last edited by ShiroKuro
          #29

          @AndyD I worked on those bits a little bit yesterday, and my fingering is the same as yours. Of course I’m only just getting into this part, so it might change, or maybe my teacher will suggest a change. But this fingering is also in line with how the score is written, and I’d prefer to play it that way.

          In his video, Hugh Sung says he tries to make fingering choices that avoid over-stretching the hand. This is a good idea as a general rule, and I usually do the same. But those LH notes are not held notes and you don’t need to keep your pinkie on that Db (for example) so I don’t think playing those first four notes with the LH will necessarily cause an over-stretch.

          Actually, maybe it’s just as important to work on bringing the LH over (to the right) as you play those notes… I’m trying to remember which video it was, but I was watching someone play CdL with a nice overhead video shot and really noticing the horizontal movement of their hands.

          Anyway, I’m not saying I’m in a position to question an accomplished pianist like Hugh Sung, but for now, I’m going with the standard fingering.

          Also, as an aside, I seem to keep wanting to type this name as Huge Sung…. And the famous actor as Huge Grant…

          (Sometimes you can’t blame it on autocorrect…)

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          • ShiroKuroS Online
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            ShiroKuro
            wrote last edited by
            #30

            Ugh. Yesterday’s practice didn’t go so well. I’m back to wondering if this is just too hard.

            OTOH, it seems clear that the degree of difficulty I feel from CdL is inversely proportional to how tired I am. I need to stick it out until my lesson (Monday) and see if my new teacher can get over a few specific challenges — currently the section starting in measure 27 and the one starting in m37…

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            • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

              Ugh. Yesterday’s practice didn’t go so well. I’m back to wondering if this is just too hard.

              OTOH, it seems clear that the degree of difficulty I feel from CdL is inversely proportional to how tired I am. I need to stick it out until my lesson (Monday) and see if my new teacher can get over a few specific challenges — currently the section starting in measure 27 and the one starting in m37…

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              ShiroKuro
              wrote last edited by ShiroKuro
              #31

              ShiroKuro said:

              the degree of difficulty I feel from CdL is inversely proportional to how tired I am.

              Or just proportional, depending on how you read that… 😅

              The less tired I am, the easier it feels. The more tired I am, the harder it feels.

              Whatever. That’s why I only do qualitative research.

              🤣

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              • K Offline
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                kluurs
                wrote last edited by
                #32

                You can definitely play it - I'll send you everything you need. DM your email and I'll send you a marked up score - with fingerings and other suggestions.

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                • J Online
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #33

                  You can absolutely play it. It’s no more difficult than many of the things you’ve recorded.

                  In m27 just work on the arpeggios first and add the right hand melody after. And even then practice slowly.

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                  • ShiroKuroS Online
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                    ShiroKuro
                    wrote last edited by
                    #34

                    @jon-nyc @kluurs thank you guys!!

                    @kluurs I'll DM you now, thank you so much!!!!

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                      ShiroKuro
                      wrote last edited by ShiroKuro
                      #35

                      So thanks to @kluurs I had a very productive practice session last night, with much less frustration! I was working from a Henle edition score, which was fairly high quality. The nice thing about the Henle app is that you can adjust the size, but on the CdL score, the only thing you can change is the number of staves per page. This helps, but you can’t change the number of measures per staff line.

                      The score I had has five measures in the first line. The score Kluurs shared with me has three. All the notes are the same of course, but this score is just so much easier to read.

                      Then of course his score has tons of info, fingerings and more, so that is very much appreciated.

                      Yesterday I focused my practice on the first 26 measures, and it just felt like I made so much more progress.

                      Yay!

                      My next lesson is Monday and I’m hoping to have looked at some of the @kluurs !!

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                      • AndyDA Offline
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                        AndyD
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                        #36

                        Looking forward to hearing you learn & play it Shirokuro. I'll struggle along beside you.

                        Suddenly I miss my old (literally) piano teacher. She was in her 70's, and would occasionally demonstrate what she wanted by taking the seat and playing, always so beautifully. How, musically, would she have played it...

                        I realise there are very good players here and I'd really love to hear any of you (by my count at least 4) who know it, if you can spare 5 minutes for a quick recording please.

                        Ventosa viri restabit

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                          Looking forward to hearing you learn & play it Shirokuro. I'll struggle along beside you.

                          Suddenly I miss my old (literally) piano teacher. She was in her 70's, and would occasionally demonstrate what she wanted by taking the seat and playing, always so beautifully. How, musically, would she have played it...

                          I realise there are very good players here and I'd really love to hear any of you (by my count at least 4) who know it, if you can spare 5 minutes for a quick recording please.

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                          ShiroKuro
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                          @AndyD said:

                          Looking forward to hearing you learn & play it Shirokuro.

                          thank you!!

                          I'll struggle along beside you.

                          Yay! It's good to have a partner! (Partner in crime in struggle)

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