MTG is pissed (Political)
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Another view from Politico/Foreign Affairs.
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What I'm reading is that control is basically distributed in a network in Iran, and the death of even several key leaders won't fundamentally change the control structure there. But by doing what we've done, we've introduced an element of chaos and uncertainty into the whole situation.
I think @mik is right, that this will be a short intervention; my assessment is that Trump was just looking for another headline about how brave and great he is. He will hold up the death of the ayatollah as a huge success, nothing anyone else would have done and he will continue to call for the Iranian citizens to take back their country. If they don't, he'll just say he set the stage and they didn't take advantage of it and wash his hands of the whole matter.
I doubt that he's considered what happens next.
What I'm reading is that control is basically distributed in a network in Iran, and the death of even several key leaders won't fundamentally change the control structure there. But by doing what we've done, we've introduced an element of chaos and uncertainty into the whole situation.
I think @mik is right, that this will be a short intervention; my assessment is that Trump was just looking for another headline about how brave and great he is. He will hold up the death of the ayatollah as a huge success, nothing anyone else would have done and he will continue to call for the Iranian citizens to take back their country. If they don't, he'll just say he set the stage and they didn't take advantage of it and wash his hands of the whole matter.
I doubt that he's considered what happens next.
I do not believe you're right. He saw an opportunity and took it. No one knows for certain how it will end up, but we've been screwing around with these bastards and their nuclear ambitions for 25 years.
What we must do is avoid trying to dictate what Iran looks like after this, and I certainly hope there has been groundwork laid for a replacement government. While Palavi probably has the most power behind him, I seriously doubt the Iranians wish to see the return of the Shah, even in his son. We cannot forget the genesis of the Islamic Republic was largely due to our brutal meddling, and several generations of Iranians have been taught all about that.
All that aside, I am pretty sure domestic political considerations were a factor. Should this be successful the midterms will go much better. If not, well, it looked pretty bad anyway.
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but we've been screwing around with these bastards and their nuclear ambitions for 25 years.
The US, self-appointed gatekeepers and the only nation ever to obliterate entire cities of civilians with nuclear bombs. How, exactly, does having the secret codes in the hands of someone like Trump give us any authority on who or who shouldn't have nuclear ambitions?
What we must do is avoid trying to dictate what Iran looks like after this, and I certainly hope there has been groundwork laid for a replacement government.
Surely, you can't be serious.
To add to the comment about 'several generations', this latest action only heaps more resentment upon resentment upon resentment.
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It's a hard no from me. Iran's nuclear program is being monitored by the relevant official agency. It would be a 2nd-- 2nd Iraq War ("weapons of mass destruction") or even worse, maybe much worse. Hopefully, the U.S. and Israel, again, are forced to come to terms with Iran's current abilities to wage war, and back off a second time.
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I have to ask those who wish to withdraw within your borders and do little or nothing to affect the external world, what would be your Pearl Harbour moment?
China taking over Taiwan? Or China taking over Mexico?
Russia taking over Ukraine. Or taking over Greenland? -
It's not like the US has been the only target for these fanatical terrorist clerics of Iran.
https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2020/sep/16/timeline-iran-assassinations-and-plot
For us in the UK, from a House of Commons report:
"In October 2025, the Director General of MI5, Sir Ken McCallum, reported that security agencies have tracked “more than 20 potentially lethal Iran-backed plots” in the previous year. He has issued similar reports in earlier years.Those targeted by Iran in the UK include dissidents, journalists, regime opponents, Israelis, Jews, and sectors including government, travel and universities. BBC Persian and the UK-based news agency Iran International are among those who have long reported Iranian state threats. In addition to its state agencies, including the IRGC and the Ministry of Intelligence and Security, Iran has used criminal groups to conduct operations in the UK and elsewhere. "
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