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  • B Bernard

    @Daniel Not to mention the increased risk of terrorism.

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    And not to mention--a big one--the increased risk of nuclear war. Iran isn't going to take this sitting down, and Trump is throwing out some damned scary language, which will in turn, no doubt, be met with retaliation. This could very quickly escalate to the level of unimaginable horror. Trump is not a stable man. (For that matter, none of these players are very stable.) A war of madmen.

    The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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      This is the difference between campaigning and governing. This intervention will be brief.

      “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
      ― Douglas Adams

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        A good Associated Press report ...

        https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-ayatollah-khamenei-ad853dc1d5606fd9202b65a75bdbfc2f

        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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        • B Bernard

          @AndyD There is little disputing the ugliness of the regime, but the solution is not having two megalomaniac criminals attacking a sovereign state to save their skins. Netanyahu is a war criminal+, and Trump is tanking at home and the Epstein files are getting closer and closer to the inner circle.

          I have read that the Iranian regime has 7 levels of contingency for every major office. They will not be thrown into disarray over the murder of the Supreme Leader. There is someone right behind him to take his place.

          What we are doing is promoting more violence as an answer to violence. More hate as an answer to hate. It will not work. And Americans will again, be asked to pay, innocent Iranians will be asked to pay. Both with money and lives. It's gross. And a violation of our constitution to continue without Congressional support.

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          @Bernard said:

          What we are doing is promoting more violence as an answer to violence. More hate as an answer to hate. It will not work. And Americans will again, be asked to pay, innocent Iranians will be asked to pay. Both with money and lives. It's gross. And a violation of our constitution to continue without Congressional support.

          This is basically my take.

          @andyd I get what you're saying, but isn't the way. And our president is breaking laws to do it his way.

          We need a different way.

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            What I'm reading is that control is basically distributed in a network in Iran, and the death of even several key leaders won't fundamentally change the control structure there. But by doing what we've done, we've introduced an element of chaos and uncertainty into the whole situation.

            I think @mik is right, that this will be a short intervention; my assessment is that Trump was just looking for another headline about how brave and great he is. He will hold up the death of the ayatollah as a huge success, nothing anyone else would have done and he will continue to call for the Iranian citizens to take back their country. If they don't, he'll just say he set the stage and they didn't take advantage of it and wash his hands of the whole matter.

            I doubt that he's considered what happens next.

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            • Piano*DadP Piano*Dad

              A good Associated Press report ...

              https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-ayatollah-khamenei-ad853dc1d5606fd9202b65a75bdbfc2f

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              @Piano-Dad

              I thought this was interesting, too.

              https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/riyadhs-secret-plea-saudi-crown-prince-reportedly-pressed-us-for-military-action-against-iran/articleshow/128917213.cms

              Here's the non-paywall version of the WaPo article mentioned by the Times of India:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/push-from-saudis-israel-helped-move-trump-to-attack-iran/ar-AA1XhnBW

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                One should not ignore takes that are uncomfortable, like this one from a former head of CentCom ...

                https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/01/opinion/iran-trump-bad-faith.html

                Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                  Serious analysis from the Institute for the Study of War.

                  Israel appears to be targeting the internal apparatus of political control, consistent with a regime change goal. I can't say I'm shedding any tears for the butchers who killed over 10,000 (up to possibly 30,000) protestors last month.

                  https://understandingwar.org/research/middle-east/iran-update-morning-special-report-march-1-2026/?utm_source=utm_bluesky&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IranUpdate030126AM

                  Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                    Another view from Politico/Foreign Affairs.

                    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/03/01/iran-uprising-trump-khamenei-regime-change-00806179

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                    • wtgW wtg

                      What I'm reading is that control is basically distributed in a network in Iran, and the death of even several key leaders won't fundamentally change the control structure there. But by doing what we've done, we've introduced an element of chaos and uncertainty into the whole situation.

                      I think @mik is right, that this will be a short intervention; my assessment is that Trump was just looking for another headline about how brave and great he is. He will hold up the death of the ayatollah as a huge success, nothing anyone else would have done and he will continue to call for the Iranian citizens to take back their country. If they don't, he'll just say he set the stage and they didn't take advantage of it and wash his hands of the whole matter.

                      I doubt that he's considered what happens next.

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                      @wtg said:

                      What I'm reading is that control is basically distributed in a network in Iran, and the death of even several key leaders won't fundamentally change the control structure there. But by doing what we've done, we've introduced an element of chaos and uncertainty into the whole situation.

                      I think @mik is right, that this will be a short intervention; my assessment is that Trump was just looking for another headline about how brave and great he is. He will hold up the death of the ayatollah as a huge success, nothing anyone else would have done and he will continue to call for the Iranian citizens to take back their country. If they don't, he'll just say he set the stage and they didn't take advantage of it and wash his hands of the whole matter.

                      I doubt that he's considered what happens next.

                      I do not believe you're right. He saw an opportunity and took it. No one knows for certain how it will end up, but we've been screwing around with these bastards and their nuclear ambitions for 25 years.

                      What we must do is avoid trying to dictate what Iran looks like after this, and I certainly hope there has been groundwork laid for a replacement government. While Palavi probably has the most power behind him, I seriously doubt the Iranians wish to see the return of the Shah, even in his son. We cannot forget the genesis of the Islamic Republic was largely due to our brutal meddling, and several generations of Iranians have been taught all about that.

                      All that aside, I am pretty sure domestic political considerations were a factor. Should this be successful the midterms will go much better. If not, well, it looked pretty bad anyway.

                      “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                      ― Douglas Adams

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