Holy shit, he did it.
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I was pretty damn sure Biden was on the path to defeat, probably bigly.
And consider that many voters were going to be doing the "hold your nose" vote, with little enthusiasm for either Biden or Trump. With Biden's declining condition, so many were really having a hard time sticking with him, but still not wanting to vote for Trump, well, because Trump. Now that consideration evaporates and they'll be looking at other issues when deciding how to vote.
At least we won't have any repeats of the last debate. Or holding our collective breath to see if Biden is having a good day or a bad one.
You really think Harris can win?
I don't know if Harris can win. But at least she's a a new face and the direction of the discussion will change. It's not Biden vs Trump. Yawn.
She will be able to sound coherent and on message on the campaign trail. Contrast that with Trump and his stream of consciousness rallies. Will Dems lose people who were all for Joe? Maybe. But will we pick up the people who were on the fence because of Joe's age? I don't know that there's any way to predict that.
I think a good VP pick will make it really interesting. I'm reading that not everyone on the other side is impressed with Vance as Trump's VP pick.
Maybe we've learned something from Trump, namely how to throw things into chaos. This is the time for the big gamble and it's a whole new ballgame. How it will turn out is anyone's guess. But it's gonna be an interesting ride.
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I dunno what polls you still are reading, but Biden wasn't polling to lose bigly, but he wasn't helping any down ballot candidates.
And does this mean we no longer have to abbreviate WTF? hahaha
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I dunno what polls you still are reading, but Biden wasn't polling to lose bigly, but he wasn't helping any down ballot candidates.
And does this mean we no longer have to abbreviate WTF? hahaha
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I dunno what polls you still are reading, but Biden wasn't polling to lose bigly, but he wasn't helping any down ballot candidates.
And does this mean we no longer have to abbreviate WTF? hahaha
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Neither Trump nor Harris are good debaters, and her public speaking is generally cringeworthy. One again no one would win. We would all lose. In a different way than the Biden
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This needed to happen. The car was headed off the cliff.
I don’t know if she can win or not. But she has a chance. And, if she doesn’t win, the Democratic Party gets a chance to move on. Assuming we ever have another free and fair election.
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@Nina - about polls...
Early Saturday, Biden told senior aides it was “full steam ahead” for the campaign. But by later that evening, he had changed his mind following a long discussion with his two closest aides.
Steve Ricchetti, who’s been with Biden since his days in the Senate, drove to see the president at his house on the Delaware shore on Friday. Mike Donilon arrived on Saturday. The two men, both of whom had been by Biden’s side during key decisions about whether to seek the presidency in 2016 and 2020, sat at a distance from the president, still testing positive for Covid, and presented damning new information in a meeting that would hasten the end of Biden’s political career.
In addition to presenting new concerns from lawmakers and updates on a fundraising operation that had slowed considerably, they carried the campaign’s own polls, which came back this week and showed his path to victory in November was gone, according to five people familiar with the matter, who, like others interviewed for this article, were granted anonymity to discuss private conversations. Biden asked several questions during the exchange.
The only other people with Biden in the residence when he arose Sunday were first lady Jill Biden and two other trusted aides: deputy chief of staff Annie Tomasini and assistant to the first lady Anthony Bernal. At 1:45 p.m., he notified a somewhat larger group of close aides that he had decided the night before to end his quest for another term, reading his letter and thanking them for their service. A minute later, before any other campaign and White House staffers could be notified, he posted the historic letter from his campaign account on the social media site X.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/21/why-biden-dropped-out-00170106
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The fun starts…
Now!
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@Nina said in Holy shit, he did it.:
WTF
Whatever do you mean? (she said demurely)
Seriously, I always see it as "well-tempered forum" so sometimes when I see WTF elsewhere, I have to stop for a minute.
@ShiroKuro said in Holy shit, he did it.:
@Nina said in Holy shit, he did it.:
WTF:
Seriously, I always see it as "well-tempered forum" so sometimes when I see WTF elsewhere, I have to stop for a minute.
World Tango Federation.
As for the next VP candidate, thought I saw somewhere that the betting market favors Shapiro. But it's still within a day from Biden's announcement. Things may still change quickly and bigly.
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When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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Both excellent statements.
