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  • wtgW Offline
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    ‘I’m Tired. I’m Done.’ Nation Faces Exhaustion and Division After Trump Assassination Attempt

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/i-m-tired-i-m-done-nation-faces-exhaustion-and-division-after-trump-assassination-attempt/ar-BB1pYwOc

    I wonder what impact this will have on us as a country. There's something that tells me not much is going to change.

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      ‘I’m Tired. I’m Done.’ Nation Faces Exhaustion and Division After Trump Assassination Attempt

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/i-m-tired-i-m-done-nation-faces-exhaustion-and-division-after-trump-assassination-attempt/ar-BB1pYwOc

      I wonder what impact this will have on us as a country. There's something that tells me not much is going to change.

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      @wtg said in What next?:

      There's something that tells me not much is going to change.

      On the one hand, I suspect you're right for the most part.

      But on the other hand, I am keenly aware that there are news and social media sites, right-wing talk radio etc that I never see or hear, and there is probably a good deal of generalized sentiment shared by people who frequent those places. Will this change them? Galvanize people on the fence who were leaning toward Trump but might have been less engaged otherwise? Does surviving this make Trump more likeable, more authentic?

      I think in the final analysis, it benefits him.

      Separate from that, this comment in the article:

      “Events from last night were for a lot of us ground shaking,”

      Why? why ground shaking? At this point, why would anyone be surprised by gun violence in America? And given all the hatred Trump spews, why would anyone be surprised that some of it has been turned back at him?

      Anytime there's a mass shooting, a school shooting, whatever, people in the community say things like "this is not who we are."

      No, this is exactly who we are.

      Welcome to America.

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        Random observations..

        Looks like Trump will try to look presidential and unifying, for as long as he can manage it.

        Biden will do the same. He did three televised addresses in the 24 hours after the shooting.

        I suspect that Dems calling for Biden to withdraw will back off. The GOP will be unified; the Dems can't afford to look divided.

        I think Trump will get a temporary bump in the polls, but I suspect that may level out, especially if Biden keeps his head above water.

        But mostly...November is a long way off. Who knows what else could happen between now and then?

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          Random observations..

          Looks like Trump will try to look presidential and unifying, for as long as he can manage it.

          Biden will do the same. He did three televised addresses in the 24 hours after the shooting.

          I suspect that Dems calling for Biden to withdraw will back off. The GOP will be unified; the Dems can't afford to look divided.

          I think Trump will get a temporary bump in the polls, but I suspect that may level out, especially if Biden keeps his head above water.

          But mostly...November is a long way off. Who knows what else could happen between now and then?

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          @wtg said in What next?:

          November is a long way off. Who knows what else could happen between now and then?

          yep. Sigh.

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              Several top Democrats privately tell us the rising pressure of party congressional leaders and close friends will persuade President Biden to decide to drop out of the presidential race, as soon as this weekend.

              Why it matters: The 81-year-old president, now self-isolating with COVID, remains publicly dug in. But privately he's resigned to mounting pressure, bad polls, and untenable scrutiny making it impossible to continue his campaign, the Democrats tell us.

              Behind the scenes: The private message, distilled to its bluntest form: The top leaders of his party, his friends and key donors believe he can't win, can't change public perceptions of his age and acuity, and can't deliver congressional majorities.

              https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/president-biden-drop-out-election-democrats

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                Don't know why I didn't think of him. Mark Kelly.

                https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/18/mark-kelly-name-surfaces-discussions-replacing-democratic-nominee/74451115007/

                He gets bonus points because if he is ever incapacitated, he has an identical twin brother who could step in.

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                  Several top Democrats privately tell us the rising pressure of party congressional leaders and close friends will persuade President Biden to decide to drop out of the presidential race, as soon as this weekend.

                  Why it matters: The 81-year-old president, now self-isolating with COVID, remains publicly dug in. But privately he's resigned to mounting pressure, bad polls, and untenable scrutiny making it impossible to continue his campaign, the Democrats tell us.

                  Behind the scenes: The private message, distilled to its bluntest form: The top leaders of his party, his friends and key donors believe he can't win, can't change public perceptions of his age and acuity, and can't deliver congressional majorities.

                  https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/president-biden-drop-out-election-democrats

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                  @wtg said in What next?:

                  Several top Democrats privately tell us the rising pressure of party congressional leaders and close friends will persuade President Biden to decide to drop out of the presidential race, as soon as this weekend.

                  Why it matters: The 81-year-old president, now self-isolating with COVID, remains publicly dug in. But privately he's resigned to mounting pressure, bad polls, and untenable scrutiny making it impossible to continue his campaign, the Democrats tell us.

                  Behind the scenes: The private message, distilled to its bluntest form: The top leaders of his party, his friends and key donors believe he can't win

                  https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/president-biden-drop-out-election-democrats

                  if this happens, it means this is the analyst we should’ve been listening to all along:

                  https://well-temperedforum.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9130004433/m/1733981997

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                    Don't know why I didn't think of him. Mark Kelly.

                    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/18/mark-kelly-name-surfaces-discussions-replacing-democratic-nominee/74451115007/

                    He gets bonus points because if he is ever incapacitated, he has an identical twin brother who could step in.

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                    @wtg said in What next?:

                    He gets bonus points because if he is ever incapacitated, he has an identical twin brother who could step in.

                    😆

                    Anyway, I really hope we get to the stage of Doug saying "I told you so" soon.

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                      A person with knowledge of the projections said the Biden campaign now expects it will raise only 25% of the big donor money it had originally projected to raise in July — that’s a further downgrade from the expectation last week that large-dollar fundraising would be down by as much as 50%. The money has “dried up,” this person said.

                      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-world-braces-possibility-president-steps-rcna162494

                      And the inner circle:

                      Biden’s stunningly halting debate performance – and the downward spiral of his candidacy since – has sparked serious discontent inside the White House, with plenty of fingers pointed at senior advisers. Officials in and out of the administration have quietly questioned the intentions of those in the president’s inner circle – and whether their choice to stay-the-course-at-all-costs stems from a fear of acknowledging they misread the situation or a desire to preserve their proximity to power.

                      “This decision is not just about Biden,” a former aide who had worked with Biden for decades told CNN. “There are other senior advisers who are considering whether they played the right role in this.”

                      The frustration with the president’s advisers has permeated all levels of the White House as staff wrestles with a lack of information and decisions about their own professional future.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/18/politics/joe-biden-candidacy-in-peril/index.html

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                        The knives are out.

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                          Biden's family starts discussing his possible exit plan from the 2024 race

                          The president’s family members have discussed how he would want to end his re-election bid on his own timing and with a carefully calculated plan in place.

                          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/bidens-family-starts-discussing-exit-plan-2024-race-rcna162658

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                            How about six months ago? We love ya, Joe, but...

                            “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                              One step further....

                              If President Joe Biden were to not only acknowledge Democrats’ worries that he’s hurting the party’s chances at the poll but decides to resign from the presidency altogether, Kamala Harris would immediately become the President of the United States.

                              This transition is outlined in the U.S. Constitution, and would make her the first woman and the first person of South Asian and African American descent to hold the office.

                              https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2024/07/20/president-kamala-harris-how-it-could-happen-if-biden-quits/74467430007/

                              Like any option it has its pros and cons.

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