Blitz Primary!
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wrote on 11 Jul 2024, 20:38 last edited by wtg 7 Nov 2024, 20:40
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wrote on 11 Jul 2024, 20:40 last edited by
Much as it pains me, I'll be watching the press conference.
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wrote on 11 Jul 2024, 23:38 last edited by
He introduced Zelensky as "President Putin" earlier today.
He just referred to Vice President Harris as Vice President Trump.
:woman-facepalming:
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wrote on 11 Jul 2024, 23:43 last edited by
He called Kamala "Trump" in the first minutes of the news conference.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 00:21 last edited by
From The Lincoln Project:
"Yes, we have to end the noise and focus. But consider this. Democrats are showing that, unlike MAGA, they’re not completely married to a candidate (As an aside, being married to Trump generally doesn’t turn out well.) They’re showing that if President Biden were convicted of 34 felonies, found liable for sexual assault, and found guilty of fraud in his home state, Democrats wouldn’t keep backing him. That’s healthy. That’s a party that functions as a democracy. That’s the party that should be representing the United States after November. Not one that backs a crazed orange dictator to the ends of the Earth. -
wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 01:35 last edited by
I actually thought he did pretty well.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 12:37 last edited by
I must be the only one who thinks he did OK. He displayed a fine command of situations and policies, and the why and wherefore of them. And he didn't tell any obvious bullshit stories. Other than "I was in the Senate a long time", he didn't repeat himself.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 13:08 last edited by
I couldn't watch, but I believe the bar is set impossibly high at this point. He would have to prove that he was the Joe of 10 years ago. (who wasn't honestly that great in public...) There is this expectation that someone great on the stump or in a debate will translate into an effective person in government. I don't believe that to be true!
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I must be the only one who thinks he did OK. He displayed a fine command of situations and policies, and the why and wherefore of them. And he didn't tell any obvious bullshit stories. Other than "I was in the Senate a long time", he didn't repeat himself.
wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 13:42 last edited by wtg 7 Dec 2024, 13:54@Mik I think he did ok, too, but I don't think I was expecting much from him. He did indeed demonstrate his command of foreign policy.
Most people don't go off the cognitive cliff in one leap; things happen gradually over time. My issue is that his performance is showing a definite decline. I don't think he has the stamina for another four years of a presidential schedule in him, even if he does pace himself better. I don't know how he'll even get through the campaign.
I see the polls aren't changing much. It may well be that this is a case of the not Trump/not Biden election, and that nothing is going to change people's vote. As I said before, I think another Trump presidency will be a dumpster fire, so I'll do everything I can to stop it from happening, so I'll be voting for Biden.
As usual, it's going to come down to that 5 or 10 percent of folks in the middle.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 14:03 last edited by wtg 7 Dec 2024, 14:03
Speaking of polls....
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/12/nx-s1-5036518/biden-trump-poll
I haven't seen polling at the state level for the battlegrounds...
It's gonna be a long slog till November, no matter what...
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 14:48 last edited by
I winced every time he got a name or a title wrong.
I thought the "Trump is on the golf course filling in his scorecard before he hits the ball" line was a good zinger, and it'll land with the audience of one.
He had a pretty impressive grasp of facts and foreign policy. And he's at his best when he's being human, making jokes or relating to people. Maybe that's why foreign leaders are supportive of him. But he also did a lot of verbal stumbling, and he seems old. He's not going to get younger over the next four-and-a-half years. Decline is progressive. The man he was four years ago is not the man he is today, and the man he is today will not be the man he is four years from now.
Still far, far better than Trump. Trump couldn't hope to hold in his head (and wouldn't try) all the facts and details that Joe rattled off last night.
But Trump also covers better for his dementia. He has a version the "for a variety of reasons" ducking and bobbing that a former boss of mine employed when he was on the ropes down pat. And almost all of his voters seem not to care when he babbles nonsense about batteries and sharks, or U.S. airports, or the danger to tourists who visit D.C.
People want to say that the press holds him to a lower standard, but really it's the public. If the press harps on Trump's gaffes, most of their readers yawn. They're giving readers what they want to read, and for some reason they want to read about how Joe seems really old and in decline.
I don't see how Biden wins, and, if he wins, I don't see how he serves four years. Even so, miles better than Trump. But I think we need to switch horses.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 15:17 last edited by
I thought Biden did ok, but ok isn’t good enough at this point.
I agree w @wtg that his decline likely waxes and wanes and yesterday’s performance doesn’t mean we’re out of the woods.And I agree w @Quirt-Evans , we need to switch horses if we want to win.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 16:13 last edited by
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 19:17 last edited by
Biden doesn't even need to serve a day. All he, or another has to do is win...
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 20:17 last edited by Mik 7 Dec 2024, 20:17
The party will have a hard time claiming to defend democracy while changing out the fair and square primary winner. It’s not like they didn’t know, they just thought they could get away with it. Now that they discovered they can’t they are handing Trump the White House. He will make big time hay out of the decidedly undemocratic candidate switch.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 20:25 last edited by
Even if Biden withdraws voluntarily? I mean it won't happen without pressure, but he might still get to that decision.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 20:45 last edited by Rontuner 7 Dec 2024, 20:45
He should probably resign (for the good of the country and for his family...) to make Harris the first female president, then work from there!
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Even if Biden withdraws voluntarily? I mean it won't happen without pressure, but he might still get to that decision.
wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 20:50 last edited by Mik 7 Dec 2024, 20:51@wtg said in Blitz Primary!:
Even if Biden withdraws voluntarily? I mean it won't happen without pressure, but he might still get to that decision.
It might be sold as voluntary but it won’t be and no one will buy that. It was never considered until they were losing. It’s pure power politics.