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    Steve Miller
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    Not if you watch a steady diet of Fox you don’t. It’s propaganda and very effective.

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      Did I mention Fox? I put them in the same camp as CBS - completely biased.

      “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
      ― Douglas Adams

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        Who is to say who is telling lies and distortions? A lot of that comes from the reader’s starting position. I like to hear conflicting viewpoints. If you don’t understand where your opponents are coming from you’re unlikely to deal with them effectively. I think Im pretty good at discerning truth from rhetoric.

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        @Mik said in News sources?:

        Who is to say who is telling lies and distortions? A lot of that comes from the reader’s starting position. I like to hear conflicting viewpoints. If you don’t understand where your opponents are coming from you’re unlikely to deal with them effectively. I think Im pretty good at discerning truth from rhetoric.

        Pique prefers to get her lies and distortions from other sources consistent with her beliefs. Mik, I agree. It is prudent to check in with sources that challenge one’s ideas.

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          Thanks, Kluurs. It's a foundation of classical education. We need to get back to it. On every side there is wheat and chaff. It's determining which is which correctly that should guide us.

          “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
          ― Douglas Adams

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            The scary part is that in the past if there was a video of Biden or Trump or Netanyahu speaking on video, we could trust that it accurately reflected what was said. It could be distorted by taking the comment out of context, but eventually someone could identify the context. We're now at the point where deep fakes can create fictional video clips. Right now, most of those I've seen have been for comic effect, but next election cycle, I suspect that will change. Legislation probably needs to be enacted to address that - but even with that, the internet remains the wild west and bad actors around the world can likely escape prosecution. For zealots, this means no longer having to believe their eyes and ears if even a legitimate video shows up saying something that contradicts their beliefs. Faith over critical thinking.

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              Good observations, and true. I think that if you see something online that seems outrageous it's very likely false. Discount it until proven otherwise. That works for me but, as you say, a lot of people will take it as gospel. It's very dangerous.

              “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
              ― Douglas Adams

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                Who is to say who is telling lies and distortions? A lot of that comes from the reader’s starting position. I like to hear conflicting viewpoints. If you don’t understand where your opponents are coming from you’re unlikely to deal with them effectively. I think Im pretty good at discerning truth from rhetoric.

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                @Mik said in News sources?:

                opponents

                A study of the facts, and history as written by professional historians makes it pretty clear where the lies and distortions come from. Call me old fashioned, but I don't believe each of us is entitled to our own facts.

                fear is the thief of dreams

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                  Did I mention Fox? I put them in the same camp as CBS - completely biased.

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                  @Mik said in News sources?:

                  Did I mention Fox? I put them in the same camp as CBS - completely biased.

                  Hokay.... good info to have about your ability to use discrimination.

                  fear is the thief of dreams

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                    @Mik said in News sources?:

                    opponents

                    A study of the facts, and history as written by professional historians makes it pretty clear where the lies and distortions come from. Call me old fashioned, but I don't believe each of us is entitled to our own facts.

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                    @pique said in News sources?:

                    @Mik said in News sources?:

                    opponents

                    A study of the facts, and history as written by professional historians makes it pretty clear where the lies and distortions come from. Call me old fashioned, but I don't believe each of us is entitled to our own facts.

                    Pretty irrelevant when trying to make sense out of others' positions. Just calling them liars and quoting historians isn't going to get you anywhere. People sadly do not operate on facts but on presentations mixed with emotions.

                    “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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                      Rontuner
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                      I usually check in with the local public radio news site in addition to BBC

                      https://www.wbez.org/latest-news

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                        Steve Miller
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                        Have a look at late night TV commentary shows. Seth Myers. John Oliver. Colbert. You don’t have to stay up late, they’re all on YouTube the next day.

                        Might be the most honest news commentary available.

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                          RealPlayer
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                          Any updates on your preferred news sources? I have a subscription to The NY Times and am constantly shocked by their Trump same-washing and soft-pedaling of his abuses.

                          Also Paul Krugman and Charles Blow stopped writing for them because their editors so bolloxed up their columns as to be unrecognizable.

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                            AP news and BBC are my current check-ins

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                              Any updates on your preferred news sources? I have a subscription to The NY Times and am constantly shocked by their Trump same-washing and soft-pedaling of his abuses.

                              Also Paul Krugman and Charles Blow stopped writing for them because their editors so bolloxed up their columns as to be unrecognizable.

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                              @RealPlayer I dumped the Times after their "non-endorsement" endorsement of Cuomo, and their ridiculous decision to publish Andrew Sullivans diatribe against the gay community on the anniversary date of Obergefell. Totally tasteless decision. They aren't relevant to me any more.

                              My sources: The Guardian, UnHerd (for alternative views), ProPublica, Joe.My.God for raw headlines (which I often ignore during the day because it's overload), Jen Rubin, Robert Reich, and Paul Krugman on substack, and Talking Points Memo.

                              The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                                Heather Cox Richardson's Letters from an American

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                                  Whoever tells me there is no genocide happening in Gaza and the West Bank is who I believe. * Rolls eyes *

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