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    pique
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    We lost Michigan because of the Palestinian activists there. F them.

    fear is the thief of dreams

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      Steve Miller
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      Inside the U.S. government, there had been no meetings with the State Department or Pentagon, as would normally occur for any serious foreign policy proposal

      Narrator: It was never a serious policy proposal.

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        Somebody thought it was. Probably still does.

        https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-man-with-the-plan-dc-prof-sent-trump-gaza-relocation-development-study-in-july/

        Here's the plan:

        https://ceesmena.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/An-Economic-Plan-for-Rebuilding-Gaza__A-BOT-Approach-_FINAL_July-21_2024.pdf

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          Steve Miller
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          Just got back from the biggest junk shop I have ever seen. Crazy place - stacked to the rafters with all sorts of stuff - mostly trash. Bought a little marble bookend for $5. Pakistan, doncha know.

          Colorful proprietor was holding court with a couple of buddies, all geezing away about the crazy stuff Spanky did this week. Consensus was that Gaza was never going to happen and it’s all BS.

          All I could do was nod along.

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            44K in Michigan voted for Stein. 14K of them in Dearborn. They got their victory.

            This statement has to be the understatement of the young century, from the founder of "Arabs for Trump."
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            @Piano-Dad

            Little by little, the people who supported Trump will figure out they've been had.

            Donald Trump won Dearborn, Michigan, a traditionally Democratic Arab American enclave, thanks largely to outrage over Kamala Harris and the Biden administration’s stance on Israel.

            Some are starting to have regrets.

            After Trump unveiled a plan to “take over” Gaza and relocate nearly 2 million Palestinians to neighboring countries, two mayors in the region who had stumped for Trump have gone silent. And some Dearborn residents have been left horrified by the president’s attitude toward Palestinians.

            After Trump made his comments, people in Dearborn are responding “with extreme anger and disappointment with this president who lied to this community to steal some of their votes,” said Osama Siblani, editor of Dearborn’s Arab American News.

            Siblani, who declined to endorse in the presidential race, predicted that the proposal will “fail” and that Trump is “acting like a leader of a gangster group and not the most powerful nation in the world. Disgrace.”

            One leader in Dearborn, granted anonymity to speak candidly, described a sense of remorse among some in the Arab American community who voted for Trump or sat out the election but now “think we screwed up but we’re not going to admit it.”

            https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/06/trump-arab-americans-dearborn-michigan-00203018

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              CHAS
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              Mar-a-Gaza seems a bit less likely now, but give the evil duo time.

              “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                Personally I think his thoughts of offering to temporarily move the population and rebuild the area are very generous, given what the Palestinian Authority terrorists did and are doing to Americans; and the terrorists openly say they will do it again.
                Kill, kidnap, execute.

                https://www.ajc.org/news/how-many-americans-have-been-killed-by-hamas-before-and-after-october-7

                I'd have demanded unconditional surrender of the Gazan terror regime. And have then proceeded to systematically flatten every Gazan building in a methodical search to free all of the international hostages.

                From what I gather watching Al-jazz propaganda and the Fench & BBC news channels, the terrorists will keep some hostages (for years) and in a month or so Israel will renew attempts to rescue them and secure the safety of its people.
                More of the same.

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                  You'd have to show the mass graves, the dead woman, children, elderly, the disabled, the body parts thereof, those under ruble, the maimed, the starving, those dead of disease, and those dying of disease. You'd have to show the entire (emphasis added) infrastructure dating back millennia which has been obliterated.

                  Genocide does not mean there are no survivors in various states of health. This has never been part of the definition.

                  As for Trump, my words would best not be posted.

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                    You'd have to show the mass graves, the dead woman, children, elderly, the disabled, the body parts thereof, those under ruble, the maimed, the starving, those dead of disease, and those dying of disease. You'd have to show the entire (emphasis added) infrastructure dating back millennia which has been obliterated.

                    Genocide does not mean there are no survivors in various states of health. This has never been part of the definition.

                    As for Trump, my words would best not be posted.

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                      It's not profoundly wrong, not worth noticing, when the Biden administration is doing it, but becomes into focus clearly, and the implications of it are spelled out for all the world to see, when the Trump administration is carrying out the same genocide, with the same methods, and the same
                      goals.

                      Link to video

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                        AndyD
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                        Gaza didn't look like rubble yesterday on Al jazz when a few hundred armed Hamas uniformed fighters made large of a peaceful and unnecessary ceremony to hand over three gaunt looking civilian hostages, starved for 16 months.
                        The targetted bombing has obviously been ineffective.

                        Biden rightly called the thousands of Palestinian terrorists "worse than animals".
                        Trump has, since taking office, made them a quite startling offer.

                        Of course it's probably a non starter and his way of leading into a bargaining discussion.

                        Nevertheless there is another possible future state to consider, a threat for Iran, gristle for those Palestinian animals to chew on as they fester in their own hatred.

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                          Personally I think his thoughts of offering to temporarily move the population and rebuild the area are very generous, given what the Palestinian Authority terrorists did and are doing to Americans; and the terrorists openly say they will do it again.
                          Kill, kidnap, execute.

                          https://www.ajc.org/news/how-many-americans-have-been-killed-by-hamas-before-and-after-october-7

                          I'd have demanded unconditional surrender of the Gazan terror regime. And have then proceeded to systematically flatten every Gazan building in a methodical search to free all of the international hostages.

                          From what I gather watching Al-jazz propaganda and the Fench & BBC news channels, the terrorists will keep some hostages (for years) and in a month or so Israel will renew attempts to rescue them and secure the safety of its people.
                          More of the same.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          @AndyD said in Gaza:

                          Personally I think his thoughts of offering to temporarily move the population and rebuild the area are very generous,

                          ‘Temporary’ was never in the cards and not a single Palestinian would fall for that.

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                            AndyD
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                            Well they could rebuild a third at a time, so only a third would be moved out at a time.

                            Something needs to be done; Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are no more helpful than Yemen, Iran, Qatar and UAE.

                            The massacres and kidnapping of 7th October 2023 cannot be allowed to be repeated. And if Gaza has to be bulldozed then amen.

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                              Link to video

                              Israel isn't living up to its agreements.

                              Quelle surprise.

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                                Daniel
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                                I believe it was the Israeli war criminal's then second in command who said all (emphasis added) Palestinians were, "human animals."

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                                  I'm not reading the details of anything he says or proposes, but I am curious. Where does he think the Palestinians will be resettled to?

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                                    It's pretty much "somewhere other than Gaza". And he's threatening to withhold aid from Jordan and Egypt if they don't take any Palestinians.

                                    And he keeps saying it won't cost Americans anything. That there will be no military involvement. Just sprinkle some fairy dust around and he can develop this dandy new real estate parcel...

                                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                      The world has figured him out. Give him something and he can claim the win.

                                      Jordan’s King Abdullah II said Tuesday that he would take in 2,000 Palestinian children from Gaza who are very sick or have cancer in response to a plan by President Donald Trump to resettle the residents of the war-torn strip.

                                      Trump called the offer a “beautiful gesture” and said he believed “99%” that something could be worked out with Egypt, another regional partner that had bristled at the president's surprise plan. "We'll have some others helping," Trump added.

                                      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/jordans-king-abdullah-ii-signals-openness-trumps-plan-move-palestinian-rcna191656

                                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                        Piano*Dad
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                                        I love it. I'm the moderate in this discussion ... 😀 😀

                                        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                        • Piano*DadP Piano*Dad

                                          I love it. I'm the moderate in this discussion ... 😀 😀

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                                          wtg
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                                          @Piano-Dad 😀

                                          And in today's news...

                                          More than 350 rabbis, alongside additional signatories including Jewish creatives and activists, have signed an ad in the New York Times in which they condemn Donald Trump’s proposal for the effective ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza.

                                          The ad, which was signed by rabbis including Sharon Brous, Roly Matalon and Alissa Wise, as well as Jewish creatives and activists including Tony Kushner, Ilana Glazer, Naomi Klein and Joaquin Phoenix, says: “Trump has called for the removal of all Palestinians from Gaza. Jewish people say no to ethnic cleansing!”

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/13/rabbis-ad-trump-gaza-plan

                                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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