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    RealPlayer
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    I’m in NYC. As soon as my piano arrived, I had a Dampp-Chaser installed. I just don’t have the mental bandwidth for the care and feeding of humidifiers (although I have done that). So far so good (24 years).

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      My understanding is that even with a Dampp Chaser you still need to manage the humidity of the room. The piano action and case are not protected by a Dampp Chaser. Has that changed?

      fear is the thief of dreams

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        @AndyD
        Humidity in the 50s is what is typical in Germany. So the answer is it depends on where you live. If you are on the humid East Coast, 50 percent should be fine. If you live in a more arid part of the country, you'll go crazy and spend a fortune on electricity trying to keep your piano in a German climate.

        In New York, the ideal is considered to be 68 degrees F temperature and 42 percent humidity. And try to keep it within a 10 percent range, so humidity no lower than 37 % and no higher than 47%.

        Out West, so long as you don't let the humidity drop to 30 % and also keep it in a 10 percent range, you should be fine.

        If it is a German piano or has been recently moved from a more humid to a drier climate, try to temporarily create a more humid climate by keeping the piano in a room with doors that close, and then gradually reduce the humidity to a range that is manageable in your climate.

        Range is more important than the number, though you absolutely do not ever want to let the humidity drop below 30 or get above 60. I personally freak out if it is below 35 or above 55. In Montana, a more arid climate, I like to see a range of 38 to 48. If it is lower, I add another humidifier. And if it is higher, I turn on a dehumidifier or turn up the heat a degree or two.

        Managing humidity is easier if you keep your house cold. We keep our house at 60F. The strings react to the room temperature--warmer temps make the strings go flat.

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        @pique said in Piano room humidity min/max:

        you absolutely do not ever want to let the humidity drop below 30 or get above 60. I personally freak out if it is below 35 or above 55

        Why not above 60%?
        When I got a sticky key last year a RH reading in the room was 78% (though of doubtful accuracy, probably +/- 5).

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          My understanding is that even with a Dampp Chaser you still need to manage the humidity of the room. The piano action and case are not protected by a Dampp Chaser. Has that changed?

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          @pique That’s true. Dampp-Chasers are not ideal.

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            Dampp-Chasers are an assist to room control, although with bottom and top covers, I've seen massive improvements in a few of my church/institutional clients where the room varies between around 15% in the winter and over 60% in the summer...

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              Room has fitted doors which we generally keep closed

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                Piano is kept with top open; that's our music arranged under the window seat (all we need is new carpet, curtains & cushions😄)

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                  Because the room has the half-height 4 pane window above the window seat and two full height 4 panes as well, it is flooded with light. The piano is on the North wall.

                  We live on a hill which is often windy, and foggy. Two days this week we were living in cloudy drizzle and the RH was around 60-65.

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                    Those doors are spectacular! 👍

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                      Those doors are spectacular! 👍

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                      @Steve-Miller said in Piano room humidity min/max:

                      Those doors are spectacular! 👍

                      Dog is sweet, too!

                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                        @pique said in Piano room humidity min/max:

                        you absolutely do not ever want to let the humidity drop below 30 or get above 60. I personally freak out if it is below 35 or above 55

                        Why not above 60%?
                        When I got a sticky key last year a RH reading in the room was 78% (though of doubtful accuracy, probably +/- 5).

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                        @AndyD above 60 percent strings will rust

                        fear is the thief of dreams

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                          Now having seen your room setup, I urge you to get a dehumidifier and keep the doors closed. But as this looks to be an ancient American upright, it has probably been through far worse. Does it stay in tune?

                          fear is the thief of dreams

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                            @AndyD - The piano in the photo - that's the Bluthner B upright you talked about in the piano buying thread you started a few months ago on WTF, right? The one you bought in the early 2000s?

                            Speaking of piano buying...are you still shopping?

                            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                              Yes wtg, that's our golden sounding Bluthner which has not been tuned since 2019 and also moved 300 miles north.
                              Yet according to my digital guitar tuner (and ear when playing along e.g. with Stephanie Trick) it is still in tune. But it's going to get TLC very soon.

                              The grand piano search will probably take significant time, don't hold your breath, especially as the house still needs thousands spent on it.

                              Steve, thanks, the doors were installed by a pro carpenter, a cousin of mine who took a week to make a frame etc and fit them... perfectly. It's a real pleasure watching someone with traditional skills.

                              Pique, that's one of the new dehumidifiers placed (temporarily) to the left of the piano. Good point about strings and other metal bits like the tuning pegs potentially rusting. You obviously take great care over your piano.

                              The RH advice found on the internet is mostly about stability. Basically "keep the RH as constant as possible", one adding "anywhere between 40-70% depending on where you live".
                              I've just found the advice "don't use a humidifier blowing steam directly onto the piano as it could cause rust".
                              Guitars apparently like 50-55%.

                              So I'll aim for a narrower 50-60% range.

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                                [quote]You obviously take great care over your piano.[/quote]

                                ahahahahahahaha! (I can't find a rothflol emoji)

                                www.grandobsession.com

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                                  Fantastic, you wrote a book about your hobby, what, like learning to play and then the search to find 'the one', and building a mini-concert hall home extension 😀

                                  Was it a best seller?

                                  But your fallboard, what's really written there?

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                                    Fantastic, you wrote a book about your hobby, what, like learning to play and then the search to find 'the one', and building a mini-concert hall home extension 😀

                                    Was it a best seller?

                                    But your fallboard, what's really written there?

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                                    @AndyD Grotrian-Steinweg.

                                    The book was named an Ediitor's Choice at the NYT and a best book of the year by thw WaPo.

                                    It's stll selling. I'm still getting letters from readers.

                                    You would learn a lot about everything piano if you read it. 🙂

                                    fear is the thief of dreams

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                                      Kudos for choosing a Grotrian, I liked a couple I found to play back in 2003 and they made my top 5, though can't find any new in the uk today.
                                      Guessing you visited Germany to shop.

                                      I'm obviously not quite as obsessive as you but in Durham Cathedral a fortnight ago I saw the stewards uncovering and unlocking their grand piano for a cello recital.
                                      They moved away to chat and I couldn't resist ...
                                      Boston !

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                                        @AndyD So what did you play? 😆

                                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                          Kudos for choosing a Grotrian, I liked a couple I found to play back in 2003 and they made my top 5, though can't find any new in the uk today.
                                          Guessing you visited Germany to shop.

                                          I'm obviously not quite as obsessive as you but in Durham Cathedral a fortnight ago I saw the stewards uncovering and unlocking their grand piano for a cello recital.
                                          They moved away to chat and I couldn't resist ...
                                          Boston !

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                                          @AndyD nope. Found it in NYC

                                          fear is the thief of dreams

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