Tornado!
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Our friends who live about 5 miles north of us still don’t have power, and neither does the big shopping center where Home Depot and Costco are. Jack’s daycare is also without power and it looks like we’ll be seeing a lot of him.
They’ve brought in repair crews from all over the country but even with the extra manpower Ohio Ed. estimates it will be 8/14 before power is restored.
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It turns out the 8/14 estimate is somewhat misleading. That’s the date they expect to have everyone back on line. Most areas will get power way before that.
Some people were reading tge 8/14 text when their power came back on.
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You don't have a generator, do you? Portable, I mean...
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Yes I do. I think this summer I’ll wire in an inlet like you have.
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Yea, being able to run your refrigerator during an extended outage is nice. And during the winter having the furnace functioning is really helpful. Ice storms can be nasty and take power out for days. We don't get a lot of them but, oh boy, what a pain when you do.
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My intention was to run in a cord to the furnace if need be but an inlet would be much nicer.
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We don't end up using that manual transfer switch a whole lot, but it is really nice to have if there's a multi-day outage.
Glad you posted about the power outage, as it reminded me that we haven't run our generator recently. We try to do a test at least every three or four months so we know it will start and run.
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This is reminding me that we probably need to bite the bullet and get a generator, one this wired in…
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@ShiroKuro Maybe, but ask around.
Until this latest round of tornados there has not been an extended power outage around here in nearly 30 years.
At this point the juice wouldn’t be worth the squeeze.
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Same here. We’ve decided a natural gas standby isn’t worth it. Besides the initial cost there’s the annual maintenance. And they can be persnickety performance-wise. We know a number of people who have them and they have had problems with them and they didn’t do the job when they were needed. It’s not a 100 percent reliable solution by any means.
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Oh wow, ok. I was thinking that wired-in was the way to go.
So if I didn’t get a wired in one, what are the other options that either of you would recommend?
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BTW re the need (or lack thereof), my thinking is that these kinds of problems are going to become more frequent because of climate change, but otoh, we haven’t really lived in this town (let alone in this house) long enough to have a good sense of it…
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Mom has a wired one and about 10 yrs in had the company out a bunch of times because a light was flashing during the weekly test. It took them a while to find and replace the part responsible. Still worth it for peace of mind for her... and for us! She still has the large generator that my dad got from Costco in the garage. I think our youngest will take that for the house they just bought. Just need a bunch of extension cords and lots of gas cans to run back and forth if the outage goes on for a long time...
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No question that they are nice because in most cases they kick on and take over seamlessly but they definitely have limitations that people need to be aware of when shelling out close to $10K.
The three people we know who have a standby generator have all had issues with theirs. One couple had to replace their original Generac at about 8 years. It really didn't see a lot of use as most of the power outages that happened were hours in duration. I think there was one two-day outage. Apparently there was a problem with the design of the units around that time, which Generac acknowledged. Our friends got a 25% discount off of a new unit and had to pay to have it installed, not an insignificant cost.
Our neighbor has a Kohler unit, and has had at least five repairs in the 10 years he's had his. And it's noisy as hell. I would totally avoid Kohler.
And the third neighbor bought a house that had an 18 month old Generac that was serviced in September and failed in January. It was a totally weird set of circumstances because a power failure happened the afternoon he closed on the house. He wasn't moving in because he was doing a major remodel before doing so.
Initially the generator went on when the power went out and seemed to be running. The neighbors who knew the house was vacant thought things were ok. What was weird was that the power came back on but his generator kept running. After more than a day of that, the neighbor went over and looked at the unit and saw there was a code on the panel that indicated a problem. It finally shut down due to low oil pressure or some such. He found out weeks later that his basement was completely flooded. This last one shows that despite having a new unit that's been maintained, you can still have a catastrophic event. Stuff happens.
Annual maintenance calls to keep the units in top shape are around $250.
We did the manual transfer switch and portable generator setup in 1999. It was a much cheaper alternative to a full standby setup. It covers us in the case of an extended outage but the downside is that you have to haul the generator out of the garage, hook it up, switch over the circuits, and then feed it gas as needed. But you don't have to run lots of extension cords in the house, nor have to pull out the refrigerator to plug it in. So it's not as convenient as something that does everything automatically, but you can get by with a bit of work.
Mr wtg can't haul it anymore but I can for now. I may have to ask a neighbor to do it if a time comes when I can't. I've considered some kind of outdoor storage unit like @Steve-Miller suggested some time ago but haven't bothered to do it yet. We are home all the time, no travel, so it's a solution that works for us. If that portable unit failed during a winter outage, we would shut off the water to the house, drain all the pipes, and head for a friend's house or to a hotel. It's much easier now that we don't have two cats and three dogs like we did 25 years ago.
In our case, despite the above ground power everywhere, our outages have been of shorter duration. Installation of smart grid technology has improved repair times tremendously.
Not saying we wouldn't revisit the decision in the future, but given all of the above, for now we've decided to skip the standby generator.
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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@wtg this is all very helpful, thank you! Your comments underscore that I obviously need to do a lot more reading about all of this before I make any decisions. I am pretty sure that my mother's generator (before she moved, her new place doesn't have one) was a wired in gas one. She had zero problems, so I just sort of assumed I get whatever she had. But that's an N of 1, so...
He found out weeks later that his basement was completely flooded.
What's the connection here? Was the generator supposed to power a sump pump, but didn't?
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Yes, the sump pump not having power was the issue.
We've been in this house for 44 years and I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of multi-day outages we've had. The longest outages were three days, on two separate occasions when there was widespread damage. One was an ice storm and the other was after powerful straight line winds took down a ton of trees over a large area. We didn't have a generator of any kind in place for the first one, and we survived pretty much without incident. We just had to haul out a ton of blankets because the house got down to 48 degrees. We had our manual setup in place for the second one, and we survived again, though we could watch cable while most others were in the dark.
It is certainly the case that many people have trouble-free generators, and even the people whose stories I recounted above are still glad that they have them. My cost/benefit analysis leads me to the conclusion that they're not worth the expense. It's a luxury item I can live without.
Anyway, my point, which I'm sure you understand, is that installing one is not a case of "set it and forget it". They are mechanical gizmos, they need to be maintained, and they do fail, sometimes at the worst time possible.
One other thing I'll pass along that I learned is that standby generators should, in theory, not run for days on end.
@Steve-Miller may have a better sense of how reasonable Generac's guidelines are, or if they are over the top.
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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we could watch cable while most others were in the dark.
That's an interesting comment. We had a power outage in our area a few months ago and while the power to our house was restored within hours, our cable/internet/telephone was out of service for about five days. It turned out that some other locations in our vicinity had suffered longer outages that interrupted power to some nodes of the cable provider and until those received power again, we had no cable/internet/telephone service.
Our longest outage was 40 years ago when a series of tornados tore down major transmission lines near us. It lasted a little over 2 days. I hunted down a source of dry ice which I used to keep the refrigerator and freezer cold. Heat was not a problem because this outage occurred at the end of May. We also had to go buy water because we have a well and with no electricity, we couldn't pump water from the well.
I don't have any direct experience with residential generators. In my previous work, there were emergency generators at most client facilities, usually diesel-powered, and as long as they were periodically tested and maintained, they were very reliable.
Big Al
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At that time of that outage (2000), very few people had either portable or permanently installed generators. No smart phones and most folks were using desktop computers.
Despite that, Comcast used to come out and put a small generator at the pole where their equipment was and run an extension cord up the pole. They'd even come back and gas the generator up periodically. I always thought it was kind of silly, because of course most homes had no power during an outage and couldn't watch TV or use the internet. After power was restored, Comcast would come back and pick the generators up.
I guess they finally figured out it was sort of crazy. Plus people have mobile phones and can use those for all sorts of things. So now during an outage, whether you have a generator or not, no Comcast cable or internet for you until the power is back on.
Of course if there's a super-wide outage, their central offices could, in theory, be out for longer than the outage in a particular neighborhood. We've been fortunate enough that we haven't seen an outage of that magnitude that has affected us.
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As expected, power is back on at our friend’s house. Much sooner than 8/14.
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My cost/benefit analysis leads me to the conclusion that they're not worth the expense.
Yes, this is what I need to figure out for myself.... it's a hard question to answer.
Re the "set it and forget it" part... I always assume that any mechanicals need regular maintenance -- that's how we keep them working. So I don't mind paying for regular maintenance. But I want something that will work when it's needed, be reliable etc.
Anyway, lots to think about. For now, I'm off to read that article you linked!
