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  • wtgW Offline
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    wtg
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    #38

    Maybe I'm not understanding your point, specifically about "these defenders of democracy". Who are you talking about? Looking for which groups (WH staff, administration, campaign staff, DNC, members of Congress or the Democratic party in total) or individuals you believe are the defenders of democracy who have now forfeited the moral high ground? Which, by the way, I never thought they had...they can talk all they want but I've always believed that it was about staying in power and not necessarily for the "good of the people and democracy".

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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    • MikM Mik

      The party will have a hard time claiming to defend democracy while changing out the fair and square primary winner. It’s not like they didn’t know, they just thought they could get away with it. Now that they discovered they can’t they are handing Trump the White House. He will make big time hay out of the decidedly undemocratic candidate switch.

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      Steve Miller
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      #39

      @Mik said in Blitz Primary!:

      The party will have a hard time claiming to defend democracy while changing out the fair and square primary winner. It’s not like they didn’t know, they just thought they could get away with it. Now that they discovered they can’t they are handing Trump the White House. He will make big time hay out of the decidedly undemocratic candidate switch.

      Which is why I hope Joe stays the course.

      Will he win? I don’t know. Will he be able to do the job? Of course! He grew up on this stuff. He may stutter and it might take time to sort things through but Reagan did it and Reagan was an idiot.

      Would switching to Harris be better? Oh hell no! She was the AG in CA and in no way has the chops that Biden has. She’s competent but green, and if you think Hillary had a hard way to go (Buttery mails!) just imagine what it would take to elect a multi racial woman.

      She’s not Barack Obama.

      His public speaking skills were never great, but Joe Biden knows how to get things done, and the pundits can go to hell.

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        #40

        As I said, I’m much happier with him after the presser. He did pretty well. I suppose everyone will see what they wanted to see to begin with.

        WTG, the entire Democrat party has been touting how you must vote for us to save democracy. For months. They’re very committed to it …until they think they’re losing.

        “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
        ― Douglas Adams

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          #41

          Wouldn't it be good if Joe came right out and said "Look, I know I've never been the best at public speaking and playing to the cameras, but I KNOW how to get the job done! I have an effective team that I trust to get their jobs done without being charged with any crimes. Look what we've been able to accomplish so far with the political winds blowing against us the whole time."

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            #42

            @Rontuner - I thought he said pretty much that, especially the part about getting the job done, during the presser last night.

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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              #43

              That was what I heard.

              “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
              ― Douglas Adams

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                  @Axtremus 👍

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                    CHAS
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                    #46

                    Biden vs. Trump odds
                    https://www.oddschecker.com/us/politics/us-politics

                    accuracy https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimrossi/2020/10/29/election-odds-is-political-betting-more-accurate-than-polling/

                    “I’m at an age when remembering something right away is as good as an orgasm.”—Gloria Steinem to Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Wiser Than Me

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                      #47

                      Interesting...Smerconish had a segment on his show this morning about the election betting sites and their accuracy...

                      https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/07/13/smr-latest-betting-odds-on-2024.cnn

                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                        h/t @CHAS

                        When I cast my vote for President Biden, I wasn't expecting much. I just wanted trump out of office.
                        .
                        I knew he was old.
                        I knew he had a stutter.
                        I knew he had a rep for "gaffes."
                        I didn't care. Just wanted trump gone.
                        .
                        Four years later, things are different.
                        I wasn't expecting that President Biden would be the most legislatively successful President in my lifetime.
                        .
                        I wasn't expecting him to help expand NATO.
                        I wasn't expecting him to lower insulin & inhalers.
                        I wasn't expecting him to create & recover 15m jobs.
                        I wasn't expecting him to bring manufacturing back.
                        I wasn't expecting him to forgive student debt.
                        .
                        But he did ALL those things, and more.
                        He surpassed my expectations by a lot.
                        And he has more planned for 2025-2028.
                        .
                        He's not a master orator,
                        He doesn't move so smoothly
                        But neither did FDR from his wheelchair.
                        .
                        Meanwhile, trump is STILL a threat.
                        He wants to be a dictator.
                        He wants to stay out of prison.
                        He wants revenge on his enemies.
                        He wants to take away from the poor and middle class and give to the ultra wealthy.
                        His Project 2025 will enable a national abortion ban to criminalize women seeking safe and legal abortions.
                        His Project 2025 will take away the rights of our LGBTQ family and friends.
                        His Project 2025 will transform the government into a loyalty pledge, not to America but to him ALONE.
                        We might never have another free election.
                        .
                        THAT is what is at stake in this election.
                        .
                        We can continue to progress with Biden policies, or we can let trump destroy democracy as we know it.
                        .
                        If you're looking for someone who's young and athletic, go watch a fucking movie.
                        .
                        I'll take the old guy who needs a nap while saving democracy over the old guy trying to overthrow democracy who needs a legal team.

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          h/t @CHAS

                          When I cast my vote for President Biden, I wasn't expecting much. I just wanted trump out of office.
                          .
                          I knew he was old.
                          I knew he had a stutter.
                          I knew he had a rep for "gaffes."
                          I didn't care. Just wanted trump gone.
                          .
                          Four years later, things are different.
                          I wasn't expecting that President Biden would be the most legislatively successful President in my lifetime.
                          .
                          I wasn't expecting him to help expand NATO.
                          I wasn't expecting him to lower insulin & inhalers.
                          I wasn't expecting him to create & recover 15m jobs.
                          I wasn't expecting him to bring manufacturing back.
                          I wasn't expecting him to forgive student debt.
                          .
                          But he did ALL those things, and more.
                          He surpassed my expectations by a lot.
                          And he has more planned for 2025-2028.
                          .
                          He's not a master orator,
                          He doesn't move so smoothly
                          But neither did FDR from his wheelchair.
                          .
                          Meanwhile, trump is STILL a threat.
                          He wants to be a dictator.
                          He wants to stay out of prison.
                          He wants revenge on his enemies.
                          He wants to take away from the poor and middle class and give to the ultra wealthy.
                          His Project 2025 will enable a national abortion ban to criminalize women seeking safe and legal abortions.
                          His Project 2025 will take away the rights of our LGBTQ family and friends.
                          His Project 2025 will transform the government into a loyalty pledge, not to America but to him ALONE.
                          We might never have another free election.
                          .
                          THAT is what is at stake in this election.
                          .
                          We can continue to progress with Biden policies, or we can let trump destroy democracy as we know it.
                          .
                          If you're looking for someone who's young and athletic, go watch a fucking movie.
                          .
                          I'll take the old guy who needs a nap while saving democracy over the old guy trying to overthrow democracy who needs a legal team.

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                          Steve Miller
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #49

                          @Axtremus

                          My thoughts exactly.

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