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  • wtgW Offline
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    wtg
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    #45

    Vance, Trump, and Zelensky get into a shouting match in the Oval Office.

    https://www.cbs19.tv/video/news/local/watch-meeting-with-president-donald-trump-volodymyr-zelenskyy-turns-into-shouting-match/501-86174ca0-af6a-4a15-a788-f6b9ee127ee2

    I keep saying this but I cannot believe this is happening.

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      wtg
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      #46

      Yowzers.

      Zelenskyy has left the White House moments ago, with the press conference between the two leaders, where they were expected to sign a deal on minerals, also cancelled.

      Zelensky posted this on X:

      Thank you America, thank you for your support, thank you for this visit. Thank you

      @POTUS, Congress, and the American people.

      Ukraine needs just and lasting peace, and we are working exactly for that.

      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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        AndyD
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        Might as well jump on a China Airlines flight and see what Winnie Xi Pooh offers for the minerals

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        • Piano*DadP Offline
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          Piano*Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #48

          Glad the "deal" is cancelled.

          Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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          • wtgW Offline
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            wtg
            wrote on last edited by wtg
            #49

            Trump ordered Rubio and Waltz to tell Zelensky to leave. Before lunch was served. Zelensky's speech at the Hoover Institute tonight is cancelled

            Czech prime minister Petr Fiala says:

            We stand with Ukraine and on the side of the free world!

            and Latvian prime minister Evika Siliņa added simply:

            Latvia stands with Ukraine.

            The Swedish prime minister Ulf Kristersson said:

            Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s. Slava Ukraini!

            The Lithuanian president Gitanas Nausėda has also joined in:

            Ukraine, you’ll never walk alone.

            … and the Irish foreign minister Simon Harris:

            Ukraine is not to blame for this war brought about by Russia’s illegal invasion. We stand with Ukraine.

            Norwegian prime minister Jonas Gahr Støre is the latest European leader to offer his support for Zelenskyy and Ukraine as he says this:

            We stand by Ukraine in their fair struggle for a just and lasting peace.

            The Swedish prime minister Ulf Kristersson said:

            Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s. Slava Ukraini!

            When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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              #50

              Standing with Ukraine is all well and good, as long as it means you funnel as much high tech weaponry from your own arsenals as you have, and budget to replace it with triple the amount you had to begin with. If these nations aren't willing to do that, and put hundreds of thousands of young men and women in uniform, then it's the old British saying, ...

              "Find words butter no parsnips."

              Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                Daniel
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                #51

                https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/crewqz93yz

                Better luck next time? Lol.

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                  #52

                  The leader of the free world met people at the White House today. Donald Trump was also there ....

                  Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                  • wtgW Offline
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                    wtg
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                    #53

                    So disappointed in Rubio.

                    Rubio, however, took to X and commended the President for his firm stance and courage.

                    'Thank you @POTUS [President Trump] for standing up for America in a way that no President has ever had the courage to do before. Thank you for putting America First. America is with you!,' he wrote.

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                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                      Bernard
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                      #54

                      Rubio is excrement. So is Lindsey Graham.

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                        wtg
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                        #55

                        Zelenskyy on Fox after the Oval Office meeting.

                        https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/video/zelensky-asked-about-apology-trump-meeting-fox-intv-digvid

                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                          Daniel
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                          You might not be disappointed in Rubio if you were a Floridan. This topic traversed delicate issues and I'll leave it alone. I will say my guess is he's another player who's out of his depth.

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                            You might not be disappointed in Rubio if you were a Floridan. This topic traversed delicate issues and I'll leave it alone. I will say my guess is he's another player who's out of his depth.

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                            Daniel
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                              Piano*Dad
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                              #58

                              If there exists anyone who does not already know Tim Snyder, he is arguably America's leading expert on central and eastern Europe.

                              https://snyder.substack.com/p/five-failures-in-the-oval-office

                              Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                Piano*Dad
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #59

                                Winston Churchill visiting the White House during WWII. Love his suit.

                                https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:qd4cgbqpaxz6vh222fl54der/bafkreiezumi7qsyzzbyayp27jnpond4dekzds75rcoa32hhb4b4haitwxm@jpeg
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                                A quip about the staged fracas in the WH ...

                                "A reporter who's dating a woman in Congress who looks like a Neanderthal takes issues with a man who isn't wearing a suit while fluffing for the two men wearing makeup in the Oval Office."

                                Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                  If there exists anyone who does not already know Tim Snyder, he is arguably America's leading expert on central and eastern Europe.

                                  https://snyder.substack.com/p/five-failures-in-the-oval-office

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                                  wtg
                                  wrote on last edited by wtg
                                  #60

                                  @Piano-Dad said in Ukraine:

                                  If there exists anyone who does not already know Tim Snyder, he is arguably America's leading expert on central and eastern Europe.

                                  https://snyder.substack.com/p/five-failures-in-the-oval-office

                                  Everyone should listen to Snyder's remarks. Sadly the people who most need to hear them probably won't.

                                  Snyder has included some links to organizations that benefit Ukraine, for those inclined to lend their support.

                                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                  • Piano*DadP Piano*Dad

                                    Winston Churchill visiting the White House during WWII. Love his suit.

                                    https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:qd4cgbqpaxz6vh222fl54der/bafkreiezumi7qsyzzbyayp27jnpond4dekzds75rcoa32hhb4b4haitwxm@jpeg
                                    image.png

                                    A quip about the staged fracas in the WH ...

                                    "A reporter who's dating a woman in Congress who looks like a Neanderthal takes issues with a man who isn't wearing a suit while fluffing for the two men wearing makeup in the Oval Office."

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                                    AndyD
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                                    #61

                                    @Piano-Dad
                                    Nothing like a bit of power dressing in expensive suits.

                                    Whodathunk a comedian would make a better politician than two smartly dressed plonkers.

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                                    • wtgW wtg

                                      @Piano-Dad said in Ukraine:

                                      If there exists anyone who does not already know Tim Snyder, he is arguably America's leading expert on central and eastern Europe.

                                      https://snyder.substack.com/p/five-failures-in-the-oval-office

                                      Everyone should listen to Snyder's remarks. Sadly the people who most need to hear them probably won't.

                                      Snyder has included some links to organizations that benefit Ukraine, for those inclined to lend their support.

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                                      ShiroKuro
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #62

                                      @wtg said in Ukraine:

                                      Sadly the people who most need to hear them probably won't.

                                      Isn't this ever the problem, now more than ever. 😞

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                                        wtg
                                        wrote on last edited by wtg
                                        #63

                                        Not a response to what happened yesterday, but it sure is another sign of Trump walking away from Ukraine.

                                        State Department terminates U.S. support of Ukraine energy grid restoration

                                        The USAID initiative had invested hundreds of millions of dollars in helping Ukraine's energy grid recover from attacks from Russia.

                                        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/state-department-terminates-us-support-ukraine-energy-grid-restoration-rcna194259

                                        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                          wtg
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                                          An Oval Office confrontation where President Donald Trump shouted at Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and threw him out of the White House on Friday has left U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski “sick to my stomach” about concerns Trump is openly “walking away from our allies,” she stated in a social media post Saturday.

                                          “This week started with administration officials refusing to acknowledge that Russia started the war in Ukraine,” she wrote. “It ends with a tense, shocking conversation in the Oval Office and whispers from the White House that they may try to end all U.S. support for Ukraine. I know foreign policy is not for the faint of heart, but right now, I am sick to my stomach as the administration appears to be walking away from our allies and embracing Putin, a threat to democracy and U.S. values around the world.”

                                          https://www.juneauempire.com/news/murkowski-sick-to-my-stomach-about-trumps-berating-of-ukraines-zelenskyy-in-oval-office/

                                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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