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  • wtgW Offline
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    wtg
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    #38

    Zelenskyy: no security guarantee agreed with the US and minerals deal depends on Trump
    Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said no security guarantee with the US has been agreed and described the deal between the two countries as a ‘framework’.

    Speaking at a press conference earlier today, the Ukrainian president also said the success of an initial minerals agreement with the US will depend on President Trump.

    Zelenskyy said a security guarantee with the US was essential. Speaking to the BBC, he added, “if we don’t get security guarantees, we won’t have a ceasefire, nothing will work, nothing.”

    A White House official has cast doubt on Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s purported trip to Washington on Friday. Speaking anonymously to Reuters, the official said “If the Ukrainian leader says the deal isn’t finalised, I don’t see why an invitation would make sense. There’s an expectation that his coming is to recognise a final position, and he is not at a final position in his own words in this new wording.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/feb/26/ukraine-russia-war-donald-trump-volodymyr-zelenskyy-valdimir-putin-emmanuel-macron-live-news-latest

    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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      Daniel
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      A security guarantee would have been NATO membership and it has been denied. These events happened in the framework of the US violating certain promises and in the process destroying the global nuclear arms control framework. Russia was never going to accept Ukraine becoming a member of NATO. It was a bridge too far for them and they are the hegemonic power in the region.

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        wtg
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        #40

        Details on the deal. The most comprehensive description I've seen so far.

        https://finance.yahoo.com/news/economic-deal-between-us-ukraine-191525595.html

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          wtg
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          How many resources are there, anyway?

          https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/27/politics/trump-ukraine-minerals-doubts-resources/index.html

          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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            pique
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            Zelensky is crazy to do any kind of deal with Trump. The man's word is worthless. A contract with him is worthless.

            fear is the thief of dreams

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              Daniel
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              He would be giving up minerals and not getting security. Peace must made between the parties at war. Zelensky is out of his depth.

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                Daniel
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                It happened the way I said it happened.

                Link to video

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                • wtgW Offline
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                  wtg
                  wrote on last edited by wtg
                  #45

                  Vance, Trump, and Zelensky get into a shouting match in the Oval Office.

                  https://www.cbs19.tv/video/news/local/watch-meeting-with-president-donald-trump-volodymyr-zelenskyy-turns-into-shouting-match/501-86174ca0-af6a-4a15-a788-f6b9ee127ee2

                  I keep saying this but I cannot believe this is happening.

                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                    wtg
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                    #46

                    Yowzers.

                    Zelenskyy has left the White House moments ago, with the press conference between the two leaders, where they were expected to sign a deal on minerals, also cancelled.

                    Zelensky posted this on X:

                    Thank you America, thank you for your support, thank you for this visit. Thank you

                    @POTUS, Congress, and the American people.

                    Ukraine needs just and lasting peace, and we are working exactly for that.

                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                      AndyD
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                      Might as well jump on a China Airlines flight and see what Winnie Xi Pooh offers for the minerals

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                        Piano*Dad
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                        Glad the "deal" is cancelled.

                        Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                          #49

                          Trump ordered Rubio and Waltz to tell Zelensky to leave. Before lunch was served. Zelensky's speech at the Hoover Institute tonight is cancelled

                          Czech prime minister Petr Fiala says:

                          We stand with Ukraine and on the side of the free world!

                          and Latvian prime minister Evika Siliņa added simply:

                          Latvia stands with Ukraine.

                          The Swedish prime minister Ulf Kristersson said:

                          Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s. Slava Ukraini!

                          The Lithuanian president Gitanas Nausėda has also joined in:

                          Ukraine, you’ll never walk alone.

                          … and the Irish foreign minister Simon Harris:

                          Ukraine is not to blame for this war brought about by Russia’s illegal invasion. We stand with Ukraine.

                          Norwegian prime minister Jonas Gahr Støre is the latest European leader to offer his support for Zelenskyy and Ukraine as he says this:

                          We stand by Ukraine in their fair struggle for a just and lasting peace.

                          The Swedish prime minister Ulf Kristersson said:

                          Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s. Slava Ukraini!

                          When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                            Standing with Ukraine is all well and good, as long as it means you funnel as much high tech weaponry from your own arsenals as you have, and budget to replace it with triple the amount you had to begin with. If these nations aren't willing to do that, and put hundreds of thousands of young men and women in uniform, then it's the old British saying, ...

                            "Find words butter no parsnips."

                            Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                              Daniel
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                              #51

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/crewqz93yz

                              Better luck next time? Lol.

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                                Piano*Dad
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                                The leader of the free world met people at the White House today. Donald Trump was also there ....

                                Crazy economist who likes to write about higher education.

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                                  wtg
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                                  So disappointed in Rubio.

                                  Rubio, however, took to X and commended the President for his firm stance and courage.

                                  'Thank you @POTUS [President Trump] for standing up for America in a way that no President has ever had the courage to do before. Thank you for putting America First. America is with you!,' he wrote.

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                                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                    Bernard
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                                    Rubio is excrement. So is Lindsey Graham.

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                                      wtg
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                                      #55

                                      Zelenskyy on Fox after the Oval Office meeting.

                                      https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/video/zelensky-asked-about-apology-trump-meeting-fox-intv-digvid

                                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                        You might not be disappointed in Rubio if you were a Floridan. This topic traversed delicate issues and I'll leave it alone. I will say my guess is he's another player who's out of his depth.

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                                          You might not be disappointed in Rubio if you were a Floridan. This topic traversed delicate issues and I'll leave it alone. I will say my guess is he's another player who's out of his depth.

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