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2024’s deplorables moment?

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    Daniel
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    #20

    I agree. People should wrap their minds around the true meaning of the fact this is one nation.

    I'm afraid we're seeing a divide and conquer strategy or a multitude of them and they're working as intended.

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      #21

      The Harris campaign wrote off Arab Americans in Michigan and everywhere else. They're a significant constituency in Michigan and two other states (which two I can't recall). She loses if she loses Michigan. She talked a little word salad, false equivalency kind of carp, but no finesse in her approach, only political incompetence.

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        #22

        OTOH, Trump isn't much of an alternative for Arab Americans.

        When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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          Daniel
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          #23

          Link to video

          Worse, they are trying to cover it up.

          And people wonder why I won't vote for the Democrat this year.

          A bunch of duplicitous war criminals whose domestic policy or lack thereof led to a ruinous litinany of worsening problems and suffering?

          Yeah, no.

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            #24

            Race to the bottom.

            “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
            ― Douglas Adams

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              Mik
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              #25

              I keep remembering 2012 when scandalous was Romney's garage elevator and his dog on top of the car. Good times.

              “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
              ― Douglas Adams

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                wtg
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                #26

                https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-says-strongly-disagrees-criticism-people-based-vote-rcna178013

                At least she's willing to speak out against what Biden said.

                How much more powerful it would have been for Trump and Vance to denounce Hinchcliffe's remarks. Instead they went with "I don't know who the guy is", "people need to stop getting offended at every little thing", and being "so over" what was said. They refused to take ownership of what was said by someone their campaign brought in to speak at a major event. Instead they blame people for not getting the joke.

                It's a small thing here, but it's this part of Trump's personality, the refusal to admit that he's wrong in some way, that I believe makes him such a bad choice to be in a leadership position.

                Race to the bottom.

                Yea, definitely.

                When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                  #27

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/peterson-ignore-the-democrat-and-media-outrage-trump-has-done-more-for-puerto-rico-than-any-other-president/ar-AA1tcU9A

                  “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                  ― Douglas Adams

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                    wtg
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                    #28

                    There are hard workers in every administration who get things done, and I have no doubt that was true for the Trump administration.

                    But I'm a cynic, and I doubt that Trump provided any real direction when it came to initiatives geared to Puerto Rico. Sorry.

                    When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                      #29

                      A take from inside Puerto Rico.

                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/30/former-puerto-rico-governor-ricardo-rossello-criticizes-trump-rally

                      And the take from Tangle.

                      https://www.readtangle.com/trumps-rally-at-madison-square-garden/?ref=tangle-newsletter

                      When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                        Daniel
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                        #30

                        Well I know when they had the most recent Category 5 hurricane FEMA took rooms in the most luxurious hotels and in Florida speak had a hurricane party.

                        I remember Trump throwing toilet paper into a crowd.

                        I don't know what else he did or didn't do...

                        He is prone to braggadocio.

                        I don't know what's been done for Puerto Rico if anything.

                        Two weeks after the storm the MSM dropped the story as if it never happened.

                        That's what they always do...

                        I actually wish I knew more about Puerto Rico.

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                          https://www.npr.org/2024/10/30/nx-s1-5172187/joe-biden-garbage-trump-puerto-rico

                          Am I the only one who thinks Biden might be being passive aggressive?

                          Lol.

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                            Well I know when they had the most recent Category 5 hurricane FEMA took rooms in the most luxurious hotels and in Florida speak had a hurricane party.

                            I remember Trump throwing toilet paper into a crowd.

                            I don't know what else he did or didn't do...

                            He is prone to braggadocio.

                            I don't know what's been done for Puerto Rico if anything.

                            Two weeks after the storm the MSM dropped the story as if it never happened.

                            That's what they always do...

                            I actually wish I knew more about Puerto Rico.

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                            Mik
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                            @Daniel said in 2024’s deplorables moment?:

                            I remember Trump throwing toilet paper into a crowd.

                            I don't know what else he did or didn't do...

                            https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-hurricane-helene-assassination-attempt-gofundme-8907212327300d20880b7f9902e42c43

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-brings-water-other-supplies-to-residents-impacted-by-deadly-hurricane-helene-in-georgia-we-love-you/ar-AA1ruqzp

                            “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                            ― Douglas Adams

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                              Rontuner
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                              At a sushi bar watching the World Series game, I sat next to a young Brit in town for a convention. A Trump/Anti-Harris ad came on and he turned to me and exclaimed - that's all propaganda! They are allowed to broadcast that? It would be illegal back home...

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                                Daniel
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                                #34

                                I thought MSNBC's explicit "reporting" that Trump was a "fascist" who was having a "Nazi rally" like "another fascist" (Hitler, of course) had one at the same venue was very, very far over any ethical standard regarding reporting or editorializing. It was phantasmagoric, utterly bizarre.

                                We have an FCC. It isn't the one I remember.

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                                  #35

                                  Well that's not quite what MSNBC said....if the clip you're talking about is this one...

                                  https://www.msnbc.com/jonathan-capehart/watch/trump-s-msg-rally-draws-comparisons-to-1939-pro-nazi-rally-222807621632

                                  They didn't say Trump was a fascist, they said his former chief of staff called him a fascist. That's accurate.

                                  They quoted Trump about how he would use the military to combat the enemies from within. That's accurate.

                                  They didn't say the Trump rally was a Nazi rally. They said it brought to mind a pro-Nazi rally in support of Hitler that took place in MSG 85 years ago. There was such a rally.

                                  On a factual level, nothing they said was inaccurate. No FCC intervention required. 😎

                                  FWIW, I listened to a little bit of Anne Applebaum's remarks in that clip. She has written some pretty good books, ones worth checking out. It's too bad that her appearance was preceded by the hype segment by the MSNBC guy.

                                  You may not like this style of reporting. I know I don't. For the most part they seem to be talking heads trying to fill up air time and keep audience eyeballs watching and their ears listening to their programming.

                                  Have to admit I just don't bother to watch them as I don't feel like there's enough juice for the squeeze. I make two exceptions and they're on CNN. Smerconish and Fareed Zakaria's GPS. I think both have interesting programming, with Smerconish focusing more on domestic issues and politics. Fareed covers a lot of world events and foreign policy. They both have great guests on their shows, people who have something to say that is worth listening to.

                                  I also kind of like Isaac Saul's Tangle newsletter and have posted some of his stuff here. He does "what the right is saying", "what the left is saying", and "my take" (where he offers his analysis). I think it's a good place to start to get a pretty balanced overview of a topic, from which you can do a deeper dive elsewhere.

                                  When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

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                                    Daniel
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                                      Check this one to be a fact or not-- the military can be used against the American people, this change was made recently, under the Biden administration.

                                      Fact or fiction?

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                                        I didn't have to listen to one minute of the clip to hear that Trump was, "a different fascist leader," and that the rally was, "chilling."

                                        This went on for nine minutes?!

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                                          Yes, I love the way the Democrat party poses as the good guys, the guardians of democracy. If it weren’t for hypocrisy they’d have no values at all.

                                          “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                                          ― Douglas Adams

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