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  • wtgW
    wtgW
    wtg
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    #1

    All flights in the United States are grounded until further notice, “due to extraordinary circumstances and for reasons of safety,” the Federal Aviation Administration said in a statement.

    The cause of the ground stop was not immediately clear, but an FAA spokesperson says there is a communications problem impacting Air Route Traffic Control Centers, which handle flights going across the country.

    “Traffic should remain ground stopped until further notice,” the FAA said in an advisory. “International flights will be managed on a case by case basis.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2026/11/13/us/faa-nationwide-ground-stop

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      jon-nyc
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      Iran ? Or antiquated systems doing what they sometimes do?

      Glad I’m not flying for three weeks.

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      • wtgW
        wtgW
        wtg
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        #3

        So far they're saying it's not the result of a cyberattack. With this administration, not sure if they would tell the truth if they know it.

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        • wtgW
          wtgW
          wtg
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          #4

          CNN was interviewing IL Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (House Intelligence Committee), who said the National Weather Service is experiencing nationwide internet service problems.

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          • ShiroKuroS
            ShiroKuroS
            ShiroKuro
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            Ugh. First half the world stops because they can't access their email, and now this....

            I'm supposed to fly next week for a conference. I'm already hesitant because I'm still not recovered from the effects of covid, but this really makes me want to stay home!

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              jon-nyc
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              Are you testing negative now?

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              • DougGD
                DougGD
                DougG
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                #7

                yeah, I’ve got a flight booked for Tuesday morning. I guess I’ll watch the news and see which clears up first, the air traffic or the roads in the Sierras for the mountain drive.

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                • wtgW wtg

                  CNN was interviewing IL Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (House Intelligence Committee), who said the National Weather Service is experiencing nationwide internet service problems.

                  wtgW
                  wtgW
                  wtg
                  wrote last edited by wtg
                  #8

                  wtg said:

                  CNN was interviewing IL Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (House Intelligence Committee), who said the National Weather Service is experiencing nationwide internet service problems.

                  Updated info:

                  The National Weather Service was not experiencing a nationwide outage on Friday despite rumors saying otherwise, officials said.

                  On Friday, Nov. 13, a member of WBTV’s local National Weather Service office confirmed that there was a regional issue with weather radios. The issue was not widespread, the official told WBTV on Friday evening.

                  https://www.wbtv.com/2026/11/13/not-true-national-weather-service-says-tech-issues-regional-not-widespread/

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                  • J jon-nyc

                    Are you testing negative now?

                    ShiroKuroS
                    ShiroKuroS
                    ShiroKuro
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                    @jon-nyc not yet. But by the time I’m scheduled to fly it will be close to 14 days since my positive test.

                    I went to the doc yesterday — I have a middle ear infection in one ear, plus presumably a sinus infection, and for the last several days I’ve been constantly nauseous and dizzy.

                    The “acute” phase of Covid is basically over I think, but if this secondary infection doesn’t resolve, it’s probably not a good idea to fly.

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                      Mary Anna
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                      My son is supposed to go to Germany for a really fabulous work/pleasure trip next week. I haven't heard whether or not his family is planning to go. It will be awful if this messes things up for him.

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                      • MikM
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                        Flying home from NOLA Tuesday. Hope it’s cleared up by then. The most interesting thing I’ve read so far is this blurb:

                        Meanwhile, Air Space Intelligence, the AI tech startup that is a vendor for the FAA on its new SMART system for air traffic control, insisted its software was not responsible for nationwide ground stop.

                        “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
                        ― Douglas Adams

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                        • wtgW
                          wtgW
                          wtg
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                          More on SMART,

                          https://mashable.com/tech/faa-smart-ai-tool-nationwide-groundstop

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                          • wtgW
                            wtgW
                            wtg
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                            From CNN.

                            The Federal Aviation Administration told airlines the nationwide outages that prompted the ground stop were the result of a problem with network routers, according to an airline source.

                            The problem is believed to have started at Chicago Midway International Airport and cascaded nationwide.

                            Some airports are already reporting being saturated with flights on the ground that cannot take off.

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                            • wtgW
                              wtgW
                              wtg
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                              Apparently they have identified and fixed the problem. Ground stop has been lifted, as of 8:15 ET.

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                              • wtgW
                                wtgW
                                wtg
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                                Press conference with Duffy (Transportation) and Mullin (DHS). Mullin said that the FAA was patching some new stuff in to the existing system and it overwhelmed the old portions of the system. Not sure what he's talking about, but that's what he said.

                                The President (who is a builder - Mullin's comment) says they need $50 billion to build a completely new system because this patching stuff in doesn't work.

                                Oy.

                                edit: CNN on what was actually said:

                                Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy urged Congress to give “emergency funding” and approve $50 billion dollars to revamp the air traffic control system, increasing a previous ask for funding of more than $30 billion.

                                “I’ve asked, the president’s asked for $30 billion. I want $50 billion,” Duffy said while briefing the press at the White House tonight.

                                “What’s more important than having an air traffic control system that actually works?” Duffy continued. “And so the president said, ‘You know what? Let’s finish this job. New hardware, new software, new telecommunication.’”

                                Duffy and the Department of Transportation announced a plan in 2025 to build a new air traffic control system by 2028 that would cost roughly $31.5 billion. More than $12 billion of that funding was secured through the passage of President Donald Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

                                “We are building in that 12 and a half billion dollars. That portion of the bill will be done by the time President Trump leaves office. We are moving at a speed that has never been seen before with regard to the FAA,” Duffy said. “But that’s a partial funding.”

                                Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy said old air traffic control technology and routers overloaded with data were to blame for the nationwide ground stop today.

                                “What we have is an incredibly old air traffic control system,” Duffy said at a news conference tonight. “The president, for the last year, has been asking Congress to fully fund a full build of a brand new air traffic control system.”

                                “Our routers actually got overloaded with data, and… they started to give us inconsistency in the data from those routers. And because of that, we shut the system down,” he added.

                                Duffy said some routers had been replaced during his tenure, but the old hardware went down.

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                                • wtgW wtg

                                  More on SMART,

                                  https://mashable.com/tech/faa-smart-ai-tool-nationwide-groundstop

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                                  Bernard
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                                  @wtg What a coincidence that "SMART" was expanded to all control centers just a few days ago. Uh-huh.

                                  The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                                    Daniel
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                                    Pathetic. This is what you get in a privatized world. Enjoy.

                                    'But as they said in one of the later Rocky movies, "Time...it's undefeated.".-- Mik

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                                    • AxtremusA
                                      AxtremusA
                                      Axtremus
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                                      Not entirely. That’s also what you get when you keep electing governments that doesn’t fund infrastructure development and maintenance adequately.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        Wow. My sister is scheduled to fly tonight from Seattle to JFK and it looks like the flight is going to happen.

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                                        • J jon-nyc

                                          Wow. My sister is scheduled to fly tonight from Seattle to JFK and it looks like the flight is going to happen.

                                          ShiroKuroS
                                          ShiroKuroS
                                          ShiroKuro
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                                          @jon-nyc said:

                                          Wow. My sister is scheduled to fly tonight from Seattle to JFK and it looks like the flight is going to happen.

                                          Wow! Lucky her!

                                          @mik hopefully your flights on Tuesday won’t be impacted!

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