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Is Clair de Lune too hard for me?

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    Mark
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    #8

    You are more than capable of learning it.

    I have never played it. But, I'm pretty sure I could learn it. I have been so focused on Chopin over the past year that I feel like I should move on to a different composer.

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    • M Mark

      You are more than capable of learning it.

      I have never played it. But, I'm pretty sure I could learn it. I have been so focused on Chopin over the past year that I feel like I should move on to a different composer.

      ShiroKuroS
      ShiroKuroS
      ShiroKuro
      wrote on last edited by
      #9

      @Mark thank you for the vote of confidence!

      I just finished a session on another piece, so now I'm heading over to CdL...

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      • AndyDA AndyD

        Trust your teachers.

        What grade have you passed & how long ago?

        I'd add, the bars are quite repetitive regarding fingering...
        And the fingering on the free music I limked on the other thread works well

        ShiroKuroS
        ShiroKuroS
        ShiroKuro
        wrote on last edited by ShiroKuro
        #10

        @AndyD said:

        And the fingering on the free music I limked on the other thread works well

        This one, right?

        https://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/5/5a/IMSLP664379-PMLP2397-SheetMusic_29267.pdf

        I wish it were bigger, but it’s very helpful!

        I think I’ll use my Henle score and use this one tonight in some fingering away from the keyboard.

        Also I just realized it suddenly seems much easier if I turn my iPad sideways, bc the score is larger and easier to see 😅

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        • AndyDA
          AndyDA
          AndyD
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          #11

          Yes.
          I'd be surprised if the linked music and the Henle have many differences in fingering. There's usually an accepted best way for fingers.

          (e.g. no matter how big your left hand, arpeggios will need a certain finger next over your thumb in preparation for the continued run.
          Although the lowest note may be played with 5 or 4 if hands are big and it helps flow.

          And in the right hand for thirds, where all hand sizes will find a run easiest with the same fingering depending on how black notes fall, and what's to be played next)

          Ventosa viri restabit

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          • M Mark

            You are more than capable of learning it.

            I have never played it. But, I'm pretty sure I could learn it. I have been so focused on Chopin over the past year that I feel like I should move on to a different composer.

            AndyDA
            AndyDA
            AndyD
            wrote on last edited by
            #12

            @Mark said:

            You are more than capable of learning it.

            I have never played it. But, I'm pretty sure I could learn it. I have been so focused on Chopin over the past year that I feel like I should move on to a different composer.

            What Chopin are you playing?

            Ventosa viri restabit

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            • AndyDA AndyD

              Yes.
              I'd be surprised if the linked music and the Henle have many differences in fingering. There's usually an accepted best way for fingers.

              (e.g. no matter how big your left hand, arpeggios will need a certain finger next over your thumb in preparation for the continued run.
              Although the lowest note may be played with 5 or 4 if hands are big and it helps flow.

              And in the right hand for thirds, where all hand sizes will find a run easiest with the same fingering depending on how black notes fall, and what's to be played next)

              ShiroKuroS
              ShiroKuroS
              ShiroKuro
              wrote on last edited by
              #13

              @AndyD said:

              Yes.
              I'd be surprised if the linked music and the Henle have many differences in fingering. There's usually an accepted best way for fingers.

              I’m going to sit down (at a table, not at the piano) and compare the two scores. It might be that the one you linked just has more fingering written in.

              Anyway, practice went much better last night. I just focused on the first 15 measures. Oh, and as I wrote about, I turned my iPad sideways so that the score was much bigger. That might seem silly but I feel like the Henle score I have is rather cramped and it just made it feel hard to read.

              As soon as I could see it better, it became much easier to read-play and that made a huge difference in subjective feeling of “difficulty.”

              I also decided not to work in the part that starts in measure 27 (where the LH from chords to 16th notes). I’ll work on that with my teacher. Or maybe I’ll work on it this weekend, turning the iPad sideways makes everything feel easier 😄

              Anyway, thank you again everyone for encouraging me. I may yet decide this is too hard and put it away, but I’ve done that with a lot of pieces, and then when I come back to them, they are much easier the second time around. CdL is only 72 measures. If nothing else, I will aim to get through the end of it before putting it aside.

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              • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

                @AndyD said:

                Yes.
                I'd be surprised if the linked music and the Henle have many differences in fingering. There's usually an accepted best way for fingers.

                I’m going to sit down (at a table, not at the piano) and compare the two scores. It might be that the one you linked just has more fingering written in.

                Anyway, practice went much better last night. I just focused on the first 15 measures. Oh, and as I wrote about, I turned my iPad sideways so that the score was much bigger. That might seem silly but I feel like the Henle score I have is rather cramped and it just made it feel hard to read.

                As soon as I could see it better, it became much easier to read-play and that made a huge difference in subjective feeling of “difficulty.”

                I also decided not to work in the part that starts in measure 27 (where the LH from chords to 16th notes). I’ll work on that with my teacher. Or maybe I’ll work on it this weekend, turning the iPad sideways makes everything feel easier 😄

                Anyway, thank you again everyone for encouraging me. I may yet decide this is too hard and put it away, but I’ve done that with a lot of pieces, and then when I come back to them, they are much easier the second time around. CdL is only 72 measures. If nothing else, I will aim to get through the end of it before putting it aside.

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                Bernard
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                #14

                @ShiroKuro said:

                As soon as I could see it better, it became much easier to read-play and that made a huge difference in subjective feeling of “difficulty.”

                I also decided not to work in the part that starts in measure 27 (where the LH from chords to 16th notes).

                As I have become less young I've noticed that having good light and a good manuscript is more important than ever.

                The nice thing about the chords at measure 27 is that they are easily recognizable.

                The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                • B Bernard

                  @ShiroKuro said:

                  As soon as I could see it better, it became much easier to read-play and that made a huge difference in subjective feeling of “difficulty.”

                  I also decided not to work in the part that starts in measure 27 (where the LH from chords to 16th notes).

                  As I have become less young I've noticed that having good light and a good manuscript is more important than ever.

                  The nice thing about the chords at measure 27 is that they are easily recognizable.

                  ShiroKuroS
                  ShiroKuroS
                  ShiroKuro
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #15

                  @Bernard said:

                  As I have become less young I've noticed that having good light and a good manuscript is more important than ever.

                  I may actually be in need of a new glasses prescription. But I also think it has a lot to do with the layout of the score I have, and the harmonic density of the notes.

                  So anything that makes it easier to read, and makes it feel easier to learn, is all to the good!

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                  • B Bernard

                    @ShiroKuro said:

                    As soon as I could see it better, it became much easier to read-play and that made a huge difference in subjective feeling of “difficulty.”

                    I also decided not to work in the part that starts in measure 27 (where the LH from chords to 16th notes).

                    As I have become less young I've noticed that having good light and a good manuscript is more important than ever.

                    The nice thing about the chords at measure 27 is that they are easily recognizable.

                    ShiroKuroS
                    ShiroKuroS
                    ShiroKuro
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #16

                    @Bernard said:

                    The nice thing about the chords at measure 27 is that they are easily recognizable.

                    We shall see! 😄

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                      CHAS
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                      #17

                      Hay SK, This should get you going.

                      Link to video
                      Thought I had seen Hugh Sung was doing something like this.

                      "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."

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                        Big_Al
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                        I remember meeting Hugh Sung at a piano party hosted by Rich Galassini at Cunningham Piano a number of years ago. I saw he was playing a Cunningham piano in the video.

                        Big Al

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                        Why does everything have to be so complicated, all in the name of convenience. -ShiroKuro

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                        • C CHAS

                          Hay SK, This should get you going.

                          Link to video
                          Thought I had seen Hugh Sung was doing something like this.

                          ShiroKuroS
                          ShiroKuroS
                          ShiroKuro
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                          #19

                          @CHAS Oh nice, thanks for the link! I've seen other Huge Sung videos, he's quite at explaining things!

                          @bernard I think he is or was a partner or employee with Cunningham? Maybe someone else here remembers...

                          Ok, I was mostly right, I checked Wiki, it says:

                          Sung became the Director of Institutional Solutions at Cunningham Piano Company in 2016, and then became its Vice President in 2018.

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                          • ShiroKuroS
                            ShiroKuroS
                            ShiroKuro
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                            #20

                            Here's the second video:

                            Link to video

                            The video is something of a trip back in time. 😄 There are at least three in this series, maybe more?

                            I wonder if these videos were made back when there were more time limits on what you could upload to YT...

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                            • ShiroKuroS
                              ShiroKuroS
                              ShiroKuro
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                              #21

                              Holy cow, it looks like there's one video for each measure?? Wow.

                              Also, watching him work in whatever program he's using is kind of nostalgic (I wonder if this is the precursor to Newzik, the app that he promotes)

                              Anyway, @andyd Andy, his approach to the LH part for measure 27 is interesting, instead of only taking the top two notes with the RH, he takes the top 3 with RH, which means the LH only plays octaves. Interesting... Probably not what I'll do though...

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                              • ShiroKuroS
                                ShiroKuroS
                                ShiroKuro
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                                #22

                                oops, here's the video, measure 27 part 1

                                Link to video

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                                  ShiroKuroS
                                  ShiroKuro
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                                  #23

                                  I haven't watched this one yet, but I'll post it here so it's easy to find.

                                  Piano Lesson with French pianist, Jean-Efflam Bavouzet on How to Play 'Clair de lune'

                                  Link to video

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                                  • ShiroKuroS ShiroKuro

                                    I haven't watched this one yet, but I'll post it here so it's easy to find.

                                    Piano Lesson with French pianist, Jean-Efflam Bavouzet on How to Play 'Clair de lune'

                                    Link to video

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                                    Bernard
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                                    #24

                                    @ShiroKuro Oh, that was wonderful! He reminds me a little of the teacher of our group class (except our teacher is Polish or German, I'm not sure which).

                                    The industrial revolution cheapened everything.

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                                      @ShiroKuro Oh, that was wonderful! He reminds me a little of the teacher of our group class (except our teacher is Polish or German, I'm not sure which).

                                      ShiroKuroS
                                      ShiroKuroS
                                      ShiroKuro
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                                      #25

                                      @Bernard oh good! I plan to watch it tomorrow morning 🤞

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                                      • AndyDA
                                        AndyDA
                                        AndyD
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                                        #26

                                        Bars 27 & 28
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                                        Bars 29 &30
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                                        I'm playing as the score as written, bars 27 and 28 both start with 4 notes left hand, then 3 and 3 in the LH.

                                        Ventosa viri restabit

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                                        • AndyDA
                                          AndyDA
                                          AndyD
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                                          #27

                                          Quite interesting is if you play the first page, 9/8 time signature, counting each bar as 123, 223, 323, and fit the notes... strictly, exactly.
                                          😀

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